Spotify is a for-profit enterprise and if laying people off is the right financial choice then he's doing his job well. He can sell his shares when he feels like it.
* This is a classic highlight of company leadership focused on quarterly results. The stock has a good quarter, the CFO is now much richer. * At a base level this is one person profiting off misfortune he caused other people. This isn't the pro-social type of behavior I would want to be encouraged. * Companies primary focus is on satisfying Wall Street, while avoiding too much scrutiny from DC.
Spotify CFO cashes in £7.2M in shares after value surges on news of job cuts
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#62Spotify is a for-profit enterprise and if laying people off is the right financial choice then he's doing his job well. He can sell his shares when he feels like it.
This is a fair assumption, but incomplete. Its the C-suite management that makes all the decisions and reaps all the rewards, but when they make mistakes, they don't fire themselves, they fire employees, many who had no control of the strategic mis-steps of their leadership. Sometimes the C-suite needs to be fired.
More seriously regarding this decision in particular- I think there is an interesting and not straight forward question about whether companies should hire and fire freely, allowing for high employment at times as well as layoffs and low employment at other times (as well as risk taking), or should they be more careful and therefore have less employment when money is flowing freely and fewer layoffs when money is tight? The answer seems to be somewhere on a continuum, but different folks find a different point optimal. It seems there are successful societies built on policies promoting different answers as well.
I can't default to faulting an individual for simply making a different decision than I might have preferred they make. I don't even know how much the Spotify CFO was involved in making these decisions in this case, maybe a lot, maybe a little, maybe they were against it but were over-ruled.
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#63Spotify is a for-profit enterprise and if laying people off is the right financial choice then he's doing his job well. He can sell his shares when he feels like it.
> He can sell his shares when he feels like it He, in fact, cannot. As a C level executive he is going to trade on a 10b5-1 schedule.
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#64Spotify is a for-profit enterprise and if laying people off is the right financial choice then he's doing his job well. He can sell his shares when he feels like it.
If you agree with the narrative of shareholder primacy and are looking at short term outcomes then sure, nothing is wrong here. But this means that we're ignoring the harm that was done to the people that lost their income and the disruptions that the rest of the org will experience. Layoffs can be devastating to the people that were terminated; a job loss is one of the higher stress events one can experience. If you…
I've really begun to notice that there is a large group of people who see this not as a narrative but as objective and external reality. I see it often on this topic, that capitalism (definitional arguments noted) is not just inherently good - it is in fact inherent. However it seems to increasingly apply to many people's perspectives on social and societal concepts.
I love me some internet...have since I was a kid...but one externality of being able to find and interact with people who think similarly to you is increased coalescence around different realities as realities rather than narratives or perspectives.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not the nature of a CFO.
"the nature of a CFO" makes it sounds like some kind of mystical force. It's not! it's just humans making decisions. They can choose to be greedy or not.
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#66It’s kind of weird to see people want to work at big corporations but then act surprised or salty about layoffs. It’s nothing personal. You’re a line number even if you’re some leet coder. It’s a business, and it’s a strategy game of utilizing resources. You might have 400k TC but you’re not god you’re a resource. If you think these things aren’t fair or suck, then you should try to move out of the leet coder path an…
You could also try to improve society.
People don’t have to just take it, they can fight back. All power comes from the consent of the masses, none of these guys have the physical power to compel any of us to do anything at all, including let them live.
Look what is happening to Tesla in Scandinavia right now for an entirely different take on what people can do if they don’t think things are fair.
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#67Sure, lots of people saying it's totally legal and "capitalism gonna capital", which is fair. Except imagine the absolute kicking morale will take as a result of this. I'm sure it was bad enough, internally, when 17% of staff were made redundant. (I'm sure their internal channels are pretty salty and uncomfortable right now.) I'm sure there was plenty of anger internally at the C-levels. PR school would tell them to…
I've seen it swing both ways. Group psychology is weird.
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#68Spotify is a for-profit enterprise and if laying people off is the right financial choice then he's doing his job well. He can sell his shares when he feels like it.
I thought that as a corporate officer he kind of can't sell his shares when he feels like it?
My layperson's understanding is that people like him have to decide in advance when they're going to sell shares and tell the SEC (by filing a 10b5-1 with a preset sales schedule and cooling-off period before sales start). I thought that the most control he would get is choosing to suspend the plan (i.e. keep shares instead of selling them on the pre-decided date).
Are there other ways he can sell his shares whenever he wants? Can he borrow using them as collateral whenever he likes, for example?
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#70Spotify is a for-profit enterprise and if laying people off is the right financial choice then he's doing his job well. He can sell his shares when he feels like it.
These share sales were presumably executed pursuant to a 10b5-1 plan, so he did something like set up a target price ahead of time at which he would sell. It just so happened that the plan was triggered when the stock surged on news of layoffs. I don't think the optics are great there! But it's at least sort of a coincidence.
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