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Re: JetBrains AI

#61

Post by andix »

jasonjmcghee wrote: post #27

Just like many others are saying here, and i hope JetBrains hears and sees the feedback- this should 100% be included in the all products pack. We are already paying for products we don’t use, incentivize us not to downgrade. An extra subscription on top of gpt-4 is rough. I’ve been a loyal customer for years and have convinced many others to switch and pay for your products. Now it’s going to effectively double in p…

I think it makes sense not to include it to the license. Such solutions cause additional cost just by the needed computing power, which the customer needs to pay for. So the cost of the JetBrians license needs to include that in the long term.

If one would like to use another AI tool like Copilot they would still need to pay for JetBrains AI.

In a lot of environments Coding AI usage is not allowed or even possible (no internet access), and would just be a cost driver without any benefit.

Re: JetBrains AI

#62

Post by _boffin_ »

adamjc wrote: post #54
_boffin_ wrote: post #26

I will only want to use this if i'm able to host the LLM locally. Currently using CodeGPT and running CodeBooga 34b @ 4bit on my work laptop. This is good enough for me, but i'd love some more advanced functionality, such as code completion. CodeGPT - Repo: https://github.com/carlrobertoh/CodeGPT - Plugin: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/21056-codegpt

Isn't that going to be extremely slow? I can only realistically run 7B 5-bit models on my RTX 3060, anything more and it offloads to the CPU. My responses go from almost-instantaneous to 3mins+.

It seems like it's running at comparable speeds to GPT4 prior to Turbo. I could be wrong, but what I'm trying to say, it ain't bad at all.

Re: JetBrains AI

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Post by hypeatei »

unshavedyak wrote: post #47

Sidenote, are there any videos of a real world developer just programming real stuff, and using AI integrations like these sprinkled in? I'd be really curious to see how someone uses this. I use GPT/etc (currently through Kagi's Ultimate) so i have long seen value in them, but i've not yet figured out how to bridge the gap with integrating it directly into my code. Too often i feel like i'm writing logic and i don't…

Andreas Kling uses copilot when working on SerenityOS, and it does pretty good IMO.

His YT channel: https://youtube.com/c/andreaskling

Re: JetBrains AI

#64

Post by ilc »

_boffin_ wrote: post #26

I will only want to use this if i'm able to host the LLM locally. Currently using CodeGPT and running CodeBooga 34b @ 4bit on my work laptop. This is good enough for me, but i'd love some more advanced functionality, such as code completion. CodeGPT - Repo: https://github.com/carlrobertoh/CodeGPT - Plugin: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/21056-codegpt

Been using CodeGPT a while myself.

Great tool, send e-mail to the author, seems like a good person.

I actually hook it up to my Windows gaming rig. The 4090 gets the job done, when I'm not gaming. (I just start the server when I go work, and then stop it when I want to game. It isn't that big a deal. I haven't hit the use-case where I want to use the AI to develop game mods yet. But I'll cross that bridge when I get there. ;) )

Re: JetBrains AI

#65

Post by alright2565 »

georgeashworth wrote: post #60
unshavedyak wrote: post #47

Sidenote, are there any videos of a real world developer just programming real stuff, and using AI integrations like these sprinkled in? I'd be really curious to see how someone uses this. I use GPT/etc (currently through Kagi's Ultimate) so i have long seen value in them, but i've not yet figured out how to bridge the gap with integrating it directly into my code. Too often i feel like i'm writing logic and i don't…

I use GitHub Copilot IntelliJ plugin every day and would not consider going back to the pre-LLM state of affairs. I don't use it to generate entire classes or tests, because it doesn't work well for that, and definitely not for big refactors, but it works well as a "super autocomplete" for 1-3 lines of code at a time.

It would be very impressive if Jetbrains tuned their assistant to generate structural search and replace[1] parameters. It's a very powerful tool, but it takes me way too long to figure out the syntax & API. But it could make big refactors much more practical and less risky than a LLM might be.

[1]: https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/structural-search-and-re...

Re: JetBrains AI

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Post by ilc »

rf15 wrote: post #56
_boffin_ wrote: post #26

I will only want to use this if i'm able to host the LLM locally. Currently using CodeGPT and running CodeBooga 34b @ 4bit on my work laptop. This is good enough for me, but i'd love some more advanced functionality, such as code completion. CodeGPT - Repo: https://github.com/carlrobertoh/CodeGPT - Plugin: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/21056-codegpt

Give it another year. In theory it's not going to be difficult, but sampling speed/power consumption is prohibitive for normal hardware at the moment.

Honestly, with a 3090 costing like $700 used. It is within reach of many on this site quite easily, assuming they have a machine to plug the 3090 into.

People seem to think the hardware for this stuff is way out there... it is getting to be within reach VERY quickly.

Re: JetBrains AI

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Post by _boffin_ »

ilc wrote: post #64
_boffin_ wrote: post #26

I will only want to use this if i'm able to host the LLM locally. Currently using CodeGPT and running CodeBooga 34b @ 4bit on my work laptop. This is good enough for me, but i'd love some more advanced functionality, such as code completion. CodeGPT - Repo: https://github.com/carlrobertoh/CodeGPT - Plugin: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/21056-codegpt

Been using CodeGPT a while myself. Great tool, send e-mail to the author, seems like a good person. I actually hook it up to my Windows gaming rig. The 4090 gets the job done, when I'm not gaming. (I just start the server when I go work, and then stop it when I want to game. It isn't that big a deal. I haven't hit the use-case where I want to use the AI to develop game mods yet. But I'll cross that bridge when I get…

Which model are you using? I tried the deepseek 34b or whatever, but it goes nuts at times. Also, what params do you have for Prompt Context Size and Max Completion Tokens?

Re: JetBrains AI

#68

Post by atemerev »

jasonjmcghee wrote: post #27

Just like many others are saying here, and i hope JetBrains hears and sees the feedback- this should 100% be included in the all products pack. We are already paying for products we don’t use, incentivize us not to downgrade. An extra subscription on top of gpt-4 is rough. I’ve been a loyal customer for years and have convinced many others to switch and pay for your products. Now it’s going to effectively double in p…

They have their own models, they don’t use GPT-4. (Update: apparently, old news, they use both).

Re: JetBrains AI

#69

Post by dissident_coder »

irrational wrote: post #14
thesurlydev wrote: post #5

Would love to see an unbiased direct comparison between GitHub Copilot and Copilot Chat. How do folks handle competing "helpers"? I've found I need to turn one on at a time. Otherwise, it's distracting.

One thing to note is Copilot Chat does not work in JetBrains IDEs, yet. You have to use a text editor like Visual Studio Code instead.

It's in beta, it turned on for me yesterday.

Re: JetBrains AI

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Post by alright2565 »

irrational wrote: post #14
thesurlydev wrote: post #5

Would love to see an unbiased direct comparison between GitHub Copilot and Copilot Chat. How do folks handle competing "helpers"? I've found I need to turn one on at a time. Otherwise, it's distracting.

One thing to note is Copilot Chat does not work in JetBrains IDEs, yet. You have to use a text editor like Visual Studio Code instead.

I have copilot chat in Jetbrains. To be honest it's not great. For example, it seems like the "simplify this code" button really just removes all the code comments.

I get much better results by copy-pasting into ChatGPT4, or by just tabbing through the regular copilot autocomplete in a code file.

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