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Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by chris_wot »

mrich wrote: post #56
StCroix wrote: post #30

I hope that Steve Jobs, who happily credited himself as an openly adherent member and ambassador of the counterculture that fought for ideas like this to be acceptable in a then over-conservative society, is rightfully turning in his grave.

Let's not act like he would have cared about this while he was alive. Apple's products and services always place family-friendlyness over any kind of free expression.

Steve Jobs was quoted as saying "those who want porn can get an Android". I'm very much afraid you are wrong on this one.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by brudgers »

antirez wrote: post #5

The problem is that "app approval" does not scale well, for a very simple reason: it is hard. Applying guidelines like the ones Apple uses, requires a very skilled individual that is able to evaluate at the same time a set of rules in a flexible way, and really understand if the app is good for the apple store or not. You can do that if you have a team of 20. Finding 300 people doing this work very well is going to b…

>"The problem is that "app approval" does not scale well,"

Orwell's description of how censorship looks at scale is probably as good as any.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by llimllib »

netcan wrote: post #54

slightly off topic. Today I realized that my 3g plan is censoring adult content. I also listened to a podcaster talk about renaming his podcast "talkings hit" to get passed the itunes criteria. The paper had some silly fluff article about Facebook and breastfeeding pictures. Youtube is stricter than TV on nudity (and laxer on violence). These were all little corners of the internet up until recently and it seemed all…

Yesterday, Facebook wouldn't let me post a link to a pirate sports video stream, so they're censoring based on copyrights too.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by _ea1k »

michh wrote: post #23
AndrewDucker wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree regarding Google Play. Appstore is a threat because if you want software on your Apple phone then it is the only legal method. But with Android you can install software from any app store you like, or directly. Google provide an app store as a service, but it's only one of many.

Until your carrier decides you don't need the ability to install non-market apps and disables the option. Oh, and the phone in question is not yet rooted. This is a matter of time if it isn't already happening. Google can do the open and free dance all it wants but with the carriers standing between you and Google...

In the US, AT&T used to restrict things this way. They quit doing so quite a while back. I am unaware of any other carriers doing this.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by batista »

excuse-me wrote: post #49
bambax wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case the crux of the problem is that they're deleting an app that's almost as old as the app store itself. Curating content is almost impossible to do; app stores should limit their reviews to exclude: - viruses - blatant spam and copyright violations and THAT'S IT. Assessing the quality of an app is what users' ratings are for (and of course excluding adult content is just childish).

App stores should do what is good for their shareholders Apple is trying to move from being the cool kids counter-culture creative types alternative to the PC to being the corporate acceptable alternative to the Blackberry. A story about karmasutra apps or ifart in the WSJ could cause a CEO to change their mind about allowing users to use their iPhone on the corp network. And of course the best way of preventing such…

>Apple is trying to move from being the cool kids counter-culture creative types alternative to the PC to being the corporate acceptable alternative to the Blackberry. A story about karmasutra apps or ifart in the WSJ could cause a CEO to change their mind about allowing users to use their iPhone on the corp network.

Only this has nothing to do with it.

iOS made inroads into the enterprise DESPITE the plethora of fart apps, Kama Sutra apps and such stuff.

Apple could care less about the hypothetical CEO you mention --not that 99.9% of CEOs would care about the presence of Kama Sutra apps in the app store when considering allowing the iPhone or not.

Mostly things like: employes and managers like to use it, it delivers a business advantage, we can deliver apps for our corporation in that platform.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by shadesandcolour »

JohnLBevan wrote: post #42

Someone could start an App Approval business. Applications don't require approval to go on to an app store / market place, but if the developers submitted their code to one AppApproversLtd, those guys could review it for a small comission, then upload it to the app store as a trusted application. Though there's a slight conflict of interest (i.e. the person paying the approvers is also the person sending the code) I…

That would be fine but it doesn't solve any of the problems really. Apple will still have control over their store. Google Play will continue to let you in and then review if they get a complaint (at least I assume that's how they do it). Ultimately I'm not sure that the business model will work. It only really applies to Android and even then most people get apps through the marketplace. Those people who want to side load apps most likely know the consequences or know someone who does and decide whether or not to take the risk.

It seems analogous to running your website code through the W3 checker. It's a certification that you did stuff right, but it doesn't stop most users from going to your site if you don't have that little badge at the bottom.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by Gmo »

3143 wrote: post #52
kodisha wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, let me try to figure this out: Kama Sutra - not ok. Killing people app[1] - ok. ??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8gAdb2N7Po

Yes, it's weird, but that's not Apple's fault, it's a reflection of the society we live in.

As in, the American society, if I may say :)

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Post by cubicle67 »

netcan wrote: post #54

slightly off topic. Today I realized that my 3g plan is censoring adult content. I also listened to a podcaster talk about renaming his podcast "talkings hit" to get passed the itunes criteria. The paper had some silly fluff article about Facebook and breastfeeding pictures. Youtube is stricter than TV on nudity (and laxer on violence). These were all little corners of the internet up until recently and it seemed all…

Youtube is stricter than TV on nudity

except for stuff like this (very NSFW just after the 8 minute mark) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLjRExyIBNM which somehow is still there

[Edit - it's Penn & Teller on Taxes, part 3]

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by treelovinhippie »

bambax wrote: post #41
antirez wrote: post #5

The problem is that "app approval" does not scale well, for a very simple reason: it is hard. Applying guidelines like the ones Apple uses, requires a very skilled individual that is able to evaluate at the same time a set of rules in a flexible way, and really understand if the app is good for the apple store or not. You can do that if you have a team of 20. Finding 300 people doing this work very well is going to b…

In this case the crux of the problem is that they're deleting an app that's almost as old as the app store itself. Curating content is almost impossible to do; app stores should limit their reviews to exclude: - viruses - blatant spam and copyright violations and THAT'S IT. Assessing the quality of an app is what users' ratings are for (and of course excluding adult content is just childish).

Yes exactly! Could you imagine how far behind the Internet (and society) would be if any website you wanted to launch had to first be reviewed and assessed by Apple/Google/!

This system of app review and locked-down pay-wall systems makes commercial sense for now, but ultimately it is not scalable, doesn't provide quality and is too slow. Any system that goes against the grain of a major trend, progressing along a rapid trajectory, with rapid innovation... simply will not continue.

The point at which people realize that Google and Apple are hindering innovation, will be the point at which they will open-up, and hopefully become a free platform.

(although I'm hoping before that time, our Internet infrastructure and bandwidth will be ubiquitous enough that all phones will simply boot into a browser - it's inevitable at some near point in the future).

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