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Paper vs. devices: Brain activation differences during memory retrieval (2021)

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Re: Paper vs. devices: Brain activation differences during memory retrieval (2021)

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One thing I love about my reMarkable tablet is that I get all the benefits of manual handwriting and sketches, enhanced by and combined with digital flexibility (copy/paste, resize, undo/redo, tags/metadata, search, retrieval, PKB integ and interop, etc).

Interesting. How is the integration of the reMarkable into other ecosystems? Can notes be converted to text and used elsewhere easily? (e.g. Nextcloud or Markdown docs)?

Re: Paper vs. devices: Brain activation differences during memory retrieval (2021)

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> My point was more that if you’re trying to decide which method is better for remembering something (handwriting vs. digital), the introduction of a spaced repetition system (either software like Anki or a Leitner box for handwritten notes) will outcompete either one that is used alone. The study in question compared three groups (pen & paper note taking, smartphone and tablet) on information retrieval and note taki…

Because the original link submission title was more about memory and writing vs. typing. And so I was commenting on the topic of memory as a whole. Judging by the other comments, most people had the same interpretation.

> I was commenting on the topic of memory as a whole

You specifically said that the study was lacking a fourth group (spaced repetition software.)

Re: Paper vs. devices: Brain activation differences during memory retrieval (2021)

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One hour isn't really short-term memory, at least not in the usual sense, and short-term memory is definitely needed to form long-term memories. Spaced repetition is an entirely different dimension. It doesn't fit between the three mentioned modes. You don't get spaced repetition when e.g. attending class or reading a chapter. Instead, you make notes. That's what this study is for, and anything else is a distraction.

My point was more that if you’re trying to decide which method is better for remembering something (handwriting vs. digital), the introduction of a spaced repetition system (either software like Anki or a Leitner box for handwritten notes) will outcompete either one that is used alone. In other words, if your goal is to go fast: a bicycle will outcompete a tricycle. But adding a motor to either will be an order of ma…

Studying isn't note-taking. It doesn't make sense for this study to include it. It's a different modality, a different task. If the study had included this, it would have been tossed aside in peer-review. You can't compare across widely differing conditions. An fMRI study also isn't the appropriate way to compare conditions in very long term recollection tasks, and get the result you seem to want to get out of it: the proper way to do it is scoring the test result.

The implicitions of this study are limited, as usual.

Re: Paper vs. devices: Brain activation differences during memory retrieval (2021)

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Because the original link submission title was more about memory and writing vs. typing. And so I was commenting on the topic of memory as a whole. Judging by the other comments, most people had the same interpretation.

> I was commenting on the topic of memory as a whole You specifically said that the study was lacking a fourth group (spaced repetition software.)

You I seem to be posting hostile, unhelpful takes all over this thread, so I think I’ll end the conversation here.

Re: Paper vs. devices: Brain activation differences during memory retrieval (2021)

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SRS = spaced repetition software.

A shoutout to SuperMemo here - one of the oldest SRS out there. Their first version was on Amiga, if I remember correctly, and the newest ones support iOS, use LLMs and all the other tech :)

I’ve never used Supermemo (still windows-only I think) but the data on their blog is really awesome. The founder basically pioneered the idea of SRS.

Re: Paper vs. devices: Brain activation differences during memory retrieval (2021)

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post #61

One thing I love about my reMarkable tablet is that I get all the benefits of manual handwriting and sketches, enhanced by and combined with digital flexibility (copy/paste, resize, undo/redo, tags/metadata, search, retrieval, PKB integ and interop, etc).

Interesting. How is the integration of the reMarkable into other ecosystems? Can notes be converted to text and used elsewhere easily? (e.g. Nextcloud or Markdown docs)?

They have their own cloud service, but the remarkable runs some kind of *nix. You can ssh to it over usb-c. They even give you the root password.

Check out awesome-remarkable. I’m sure there’s a way to get next cloud syncing working

Re: Paper vs. devices: Brain activation differences during memory retrieval (2021)

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I would imagine that in about 20 years, this will show a different result. I feel it has strong bias due to how many of us are raised during our formative years. When tech becomes more and more common at a younger age, our brain will be different.

Re: Paper vs. devices: Brain activation differences during memory retrieval (2021)

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I don't understand your simile. The limitations of a bicycle are infrastructure: bicycles can go a lot of places very efficiently, but rugged mountain terrain without trails (precisely the place condors thrive) would be difficult to traverse. (this is totally off topic but now i am curious about the energy efficiency of condor flight vs bicycle travel in ideal conditions) i find SRS very useful. but i personally thin…

It was just an example used by Steve Jobs to show how computers could enhance human capabilities. Also, using a SRS in conjunction with a memory palace can solve a lot of the reference issues you’re describing.

this combo technique sounds useful, is it something like reviewing memory palaces with spaced repetition, instead of reviewing standalone information?

Re: Paper vs. devices: Brain activation differences during memory retrieval (2021)

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Anyone here did see an improvement in memory retrieval after switching from taking notes by typing on their computer to taking notes on something like Remarkable?

I'm not sure about memory, but I've found that thinking through problems is easier using a pen tablet. I use a Surface Pro X mostly, but sometimes my Samsung Fold phone if that's all I have with me. If I use paper, I lose the paper.

Re: Paper vs. devices: Brain activation differences during memory retrieval (2021)

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not obvious what app they're using to input appointments (from skimming + ctrl-F-ing for 'app', 'software'). did I miss something?

not sure why you'd blanket compare 'all digital input' to all paper. surely the UX matters.

like is this some cursed psych study calendar app that integrates with electrodes

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