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Re: Tupac image performs at Coachella [video]

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Post by rome »

jgw wrote: post #30
rglover wrote: post #15

Love the technology, but is anybody else just a little bit creeped out by this?

Yes, and not just a little. Our ability to distinguish between what's real and what's not is diminishing at an astonishing rate. Simultaneously, our technology is grossly outpacing our ability as a society to develop social mores and appropriate legal frameworks around the new things we can do. Some years ago, I read an article about how when the telephone was first publicly sold, it came with an etiquette guide on h…

I don't think that law needs to get involved too early (if at all) in tech innovations. I do think society will determine whats correct and whats not. If a dispute arises then courts and lawmakers should be involved.

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Post by enjalot »

jgrahamc wrote: post #17
rglover wrote: post #15

Love the technology, but is anybody else just a little bit creeped out by this?

I'm less creeped out by the technology than by the implications in terms of copyright. What this may mean is that a copyright holder on the image of a person (such as Tupac) will be able to milk that image long after they are dead and potentially without having to pay anyone. When you see Snoop Dogg 'performing' with Tupac you have to wonder where the money is flowing. Tupac's gone, perhaps his family is getting some…

It makes me wonder how Snoop must feel, having performed that same song many times with Pac before...

Re: Tupac image performs at Coachella [video]

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Post by enjalot »

jgrahamc wrote: post #17
rglover wrote: post #15

Love the technology, but is anybody else just a little bit creeped out by this?

I'm less creeped out by the technology than by the implications in terms of copyright. What this may mean is that a copyright holder on the image of a person (such as Tupac) will be able to milk that image long after they are dead and potentially without having to pay anyone. When you see Snoop Dogg 'performing' with Tupac you have to wonder where the money is flowing. Tupac's gone, perhaps his family is getting some…

It makes me wonder how Snoop must feel, having performed that same song many times with Pac before...

Re: Tupac image performs at Coachella [video]

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Post by zecho »

ahelwer wrote: post #33
jgrahamc wrote: post #8

The technology behind this is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musion_Eyeliner which uses the old Pepper's Ghost trick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppers_ghost

This led me on a one-hour Wikipedia detour and I now possess detailed development knowledge of Disney's Haunted Mansion theme park ride. Seriously cool stuff.

There's a whole fascinating book about the evolution of this illusion. http://www.amazon.com/Hiding-Elephant-Magicians-Impossible-D...

Re: Tupac image performs at Coachella [video]

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Post by tmarthal »

jgw wrote: post #30
rglover wrote: post #15

Love the technology, but is anybody else just a little bit creeped out by this?

Yes, and not just a little. Our ability to distinguish between what's real and what's not is diminishing at an astonishing rate. Simultaneously, our technology is grossly outpacing our ability as a society to develop social mores and appropriate legal frameworks around the new things we can do. Some years ago, I read an article about how when the telephone was first publicly sold, it came with an etiquette guide on h…

You're absolutely right. I was in the audience last night and was unable to 100% distinguish with my own eyes that the performer on stage was not real. I think a lot of people are just watching the re-hash of the high-definition feed with closeups, where you can see some of the pixelation and movement/animation aliasing. However at 400+ft and non-direct lighting, the effect was nothing short of creepy.

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Post by parkan »

cheebla wrote: post #57
Aramgutang wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a much smaller scale, this has already been done. Tupac's posthumous "Loyal to the Game" album produced by Eminem had a number of lyrical phrases constructed out of phonemes. There was a small amount of outrage at the time of its release, but it mostly focused on the fact that those constructed lyrics were endorsing other rappers (mostly Eminem's protégés also performing on the track), whom some fans felt Tupac wo…

Definitely, but I think it is a question of scale. It's one thing to construct some ad-libs, but to actually create a piece of art (i.e. an entire verse) is a whole different ball game. It would be like if someone took fragments of Picasso paintings, constructed an entirely new painting, and called it a Picasso. I suppose it's conceivable that someone might try to do it, and it's apparently technically possible, but…

There are some interesting painting remix projects, by the way: http://www.studiovoltaire.org/edition-arcangel.htm

Re: Tupac image performs at Coachella [video]

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Post by te_chris »

pinaceae wrote: post #13
joejohnson wrote: post #11

Coachella has done a lot of innovative tricks this year. I was impressed that anyone in US could watch three of the stages live on YouTube. Live concert footage and other live videos on the web are going to quickly make TV feel overpriced.

even more impressive that I could watch it from Austria - by now so much content is region-restricted that this was a pleasant surprise.

Agree so much from New Zealand, me and heaps of my friends were all massive fans of At the Drive In when they were around, being able to see them live on the other side of the world felt pretty cool.

Re: Tupac image performs at Coachella [video]

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Post by blhack »

zdgman wrote: post #20

Great question that was asked today was, "would you pay to see a dead artist perform in holographic form"? Think about all the artists you could bring back and have perform for people when using this technology.

Yes.

Honestly, I'm not at a show to watch somebody perform their music, I'm there to enjoy that music with a few hundred/thousand other people, and listen to it on a big stereo.

It's a socializing thing, not a consumption thing.

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