Orion Browser by Kagi • Hacker News Board

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by tholdem » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 7:52 AM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47

Is there an argument to be made for a lighter browser such as this being more secure than Safari or Firefox on macOS?

Not sure what you mean with "lighter", but the reason some browsers feel heavier is the security features that introduce a performance penalty or take up more resources, like jitless mode and process isolation for example. Firefox is not a secure web browser.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by pleb_nz » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 7:58 AM UTC

mm263 wrote: post #6

I've been using it for a while as my main browser and it suffers from all of the usual issues that early development stage browsers have: bugs, memory leaks. The bugs are nasty as well, I'm sometimes forced to switch back to Firefox: one example is once there was a build that crashed my browser when I opened a new tab in tree view. The extension support is in progress as well. UBlock Origin and BitWarden work, but YN…

Does if have a mobile version or can you sync with a mobile browser of another vendor?

If not then it's not for me at this stage

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by idle_zealot » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 8:01 AM UTC

pleb_nz wrote: post #62

mm263 wrote: post #6

I've been using it for a while as my main browser and it suffers from all of the usual issues that early development stage browsers have: bugs, memory leaks. The bugs are nasty as well, I'm sometimes forced to switch back to Firefox: one example is once there was a build that crashed my browser when I opened a new tab in tree view. The extension support is in progress as well. UBlock Origin and BitWarden work, but YN…

Does if have a mobile version or can you sync with a mobile browser of another vendor? If not then it's not for me at this stage

It does have a mobile version for iOS, which is notable on its own because is supports (some) Chrome and Firefox extensions on mobile. It suffers similar beta-y bugs as the desktop version though. Personally I find it worth it to have uBO on my iPhone.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by g_p » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 8:01 AM UTC

pleb_nz wrote: post #62

mm263 wrote: post #6

I've been using it for a while as my main browser and it suffers from all of the usual issues that early development stage browsers have: bugs, memory leaks. The bugs are nasty as well, I'm sometimes forced to switch back to Firefox: one example is once there was a build that crashed my browser when I opened a new tab in tree view. The extension support is in progress as well. UBlock Origin and BitWarden work, but YN…

Does if have a mobile version or can you sync with a mobile browser of another vendor? If not then it's not for me at this stage

Yes, there's a mobile app for iOS (on the app store), and iCloud based sync between desktop and mobile.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by hackideiomat » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 8:01 AM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47

Is there an argument to be made for a lighter browser such as this being more secure than Safari or Firefox on macOS?

No. This is done by a company without a real security team. Compare that to Google, with one of the best security teams in the world.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by getcrunk » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 8:12 AM UTC

vsnf wrote: post #48

freediver wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Orion has a port of the web extensions API (used by Chrome and Firefox extensions) on top of WebKit.

That's super interesting. I wonder why Mozilla didn't bother to do this for their own browser.

Mozilla’s priorities are messed up instead of doubling down on browser they are getting into a lot of half assed side projects.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by Squarex » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 8:45 AM UTC

ochronus wrote: post #17

mm263 wrote: post #6

I've been using it for a while as my main browser and it suffers from all of the usual issues that early development stage browsers have: bugs, memory leaks. The bugs are nasty as well, I'm sometimes forced to switch back to Firefox: one example is once there was a build that crashed my browser when I opened a new tab in tree view. The extension support is in progress as well. UBlock Origin and BitWarden work, but YN…

I had the same experience. Even if uBlock Origin kind of works, somehow it doesn't block the same number of ads as it does with other browsers, I wonder why. Same uBlock Origin version, same filters enabled, fewer ads blocked on Orion. I used this site for example to test: https://d3ward.github.io/toolz/adblock.html - scores 65% on orion and 99% on other browsers

I get 100% with orion, ublock origin and nextdns combo. It's the only browser along with Firefox where I am able to get 100%.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by mastazi » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 8:52 AM UTC

At this time, this is not for me unfortunately as I use 4 different OSes (Mac/Linux/iOS/Windows) but looking forward to checking it out again down the line.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by saagarjha » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 8:55 AM UTC

vsnf wrote: post #48

freediver wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Orion has a port of the web extensions API (used by Chrome and Firefox extensions) on top of WebKit.

That's super interesting. I wonder why Mozilla didn't bother to do this for their own browser.

It’s quite difficult to do and the solution is necessarily limited by the inability to modify WebKit.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by saagarjha » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 8:56 AM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47

Is there an argument to be made for a lighter browser such as this being more secure than Safari or Firefox on macOS?

It’s WebKit-based, so it’s not really particularly lighter.