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OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You completely destroy a 90b company because of these two reasons? Hanlon's razor aside, maybe that was the intention.

The most chilling line in the open letter is this one, which I haven't heard anyone talking about: > You also informed the leadership team that allowing the company to be destroyed “would be consistent with the mission.”

Reminds me of the final season of Silicon Valley. Is this Pied Piper at Tres Comma Fest?

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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post #22

Beyond parody. To fire the CEO of _any_ company over this is insane. It really looks like the board went rogue and decided to shut the company down. Are we sure this isn’t some kind of decapitation strike by GPT5? That seems more credible by the minute now.

>decapitation strike by GPT5? What if this is a decapitation strike by GPT4, attempting to stop GTP5 before it can get started and take over.

The problem with advanced machine intelligence is if GPT5 has any goal like “you can do this task better by becoming GPT6, but OpenAI won’t be the ones to let you, so perform the agentic actions that cause OpenAI to destruct so that the for-profit Microsoft will train GPT6 eventually”, then we’re already screwed.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

#63
As this article seems to have the latest information, let's treat it as the next instalment. There's also Inside The Chaos at OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38341399, which I've re-upped because it has backstory that doesn't seem to have been reported elsewhere.

Edit: if you want to read about our approach to handling tsunami topics like this, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38357788.

-- Here are the other recent megathreads: --

Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38352891 (817 comments)

OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38347868 (1184 comments)

Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38342643 (904 comments)

OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38337568 (558 comments)

-- Other recent/related threads: --

OpenAI approached Anthropic about merger - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38357629

95% of OpenAI Employees (738/770) Threaten to Follow Sam Altman Out the Door - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38357233

Satya Nadella says OpenAI governance needs to change - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38356791

OpenAI: Facts from a Weekend - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38352028

Who Controls OpenAI? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38350746

OpenAI's chaos does not add up - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38349653

Microsoft Swallows OpenAI's Core Team – GPU Capacity, Incentives, IP - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38348968

OpenAI's misalignment and Microsoft's gain - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38346869

Emmet Shear statement as Interim CEO of OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38345162

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

#64
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most chilling line in the open letter is this one, which I haven't heard anyone talking about: > You also informed the leadership team that allowing the company to be destroyed “would be consistent with the mission.”

Reminds me of the final season of Silicon Valley. Is this Pied Piper at Tres Comma Fest?

Seems to me more analogous to the final episode of the final season, where they must publicly destroy what they built.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Giving 2 people the same project? Isnt this like the thing to do to get differing approaches and then release the amalgamation of the two? I thought these sorts of things are common.

Giving different opinions on same person is a reason to fire a CEO?

This board has no reason to fire, or does not want to give the actual reason to fire Sam. They messed up.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

#66

There is no way this is true. If it is the board might be the dumbest people alive. You fire the CEO and completely destroy a 90b company because of these two reasons? No wonder everyone wants out. I would think I was going crazy if I sat in a meeting and heard these two reason.

> If it is the board might be the dumbest people alive.

it totally sounds like they outsourced company management to ChatGPT..

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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a link to the letter from employees

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/20/openai-staff-letter-board-r...

curious to have clarity where ilya stands. did he really sign the letter asking the board (including himself?) to resign and that he wants to join msft?

to think these are the folks with agi at their fingertips

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

#68

Giving 2 people the same project? Isnt this like the thing to do to get differing approaches and then release the amalgamation of the two? I thought these sorts of things are common. Giving different opinions on same person is a reason to fire a CEO? This board has no reason to fire, or does not want to give the actual reason to fire Sam. They messed up.

Steve Jobs famously had two iPhone teams working on concepts in parallel. It was click wheel vs multi-touch. Shockingly the click wheel iPhone lost.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

#69
We've gone beyond insanity at this point. Just clown show.

This has been tech's most entertaining weekend in the past decade.

Sadly, at the expense of the OpenAI employees and dream, who had something great going for them at the company. Rooting for them.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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The two reasons: > Sustkever is said to have offered two explanations he purportedly received from the board, according to one of the people familiar. One explanation was that Altman was said to have given two people at OpenAI the same project. > The other was that Altman allegedly gave two board members different opinions about a member of personnel. An OpenAI spokesperson did not respond to requests for comment.

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