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Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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GM is getting ready to absorb. Watch

No this will be cut off, likely it's the end. Self driving cars are extremely expensive, terrible business model, despite 20 years of promises of they still need babying by a team of humans in a tightly controlled area. Too much capital is necessary in the high interest rate environment. Waymo is probably going to die too.

Waymo works really well though.

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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I’m guessing cruise is pretty much over. What’s really unfortunate is I worked with many people who worked with Kyle and no one had a single good thing to say about him. And I’ve often heard that before with people who knew other CEOs but they kinda grudgingly admitted they did what was needed to get it done. However over and over I just heard phrases like “lost” “aimless” and “confused mess” with Kyle and it never w…

I worked at Cruise (I left about 2.5 years ago) and I have the opposite impression about Kyle. Kyle was a very charismatic leader who was really in the trenches. Unlike a lot of CEOs he was really visible in the office, he would drop in on meetings if he had breaks in his calendar, he was active on Jira and Slack, etc. Even though I was just a rank-and-file engineer I was in a number of meetings with him and some of…

> he would drop in on meetings if he had breaks in his calendar

Is this a positive thing, tho? I am not sure. I am just curious.

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked at Cruise (I left about 2.5 years ago) and I have the opposite impression about Kyle. Kyle was a very charismatic leader who was really in the trenches. Unlike a lot of CEOs he was really visible in the office, he would drop in on meetings if he had breaks in his calendar, he was active on Jira and Slack, etc. Even though I was just a rank-and-file engineer I was in a number of meetings with him and some of…

> he would drop in on meetings if he had breaks in his calendar Is this a positive thing, tho? I am not sure. I am just curious.

This was referenced by several at the manager level as their specific complaint. They worried why he was there and not solving higher level issues the company was facing.

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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I am going to leave this here https://blog.comma.ai/a-100x-investment-part-1/ https://comma-ai.medium.com/a-100x-investment-part-2-569b714...

How many autonomous miles has comma driven?

From the first article from 4 years ago:

>Last month, we had 1,209 cars drive a little over 1,000,000 miles

Let's say they've had zero growth since then, so 48,000,000 conservatively?

Actually, from their website [1]:

>100+ million miles driven and 10k users.

[1]: https://comma.ai

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

#65
Everyone laughed at Tesla for their gung-ho, vision-only approach.

Only Waymo and Cruise will make it, they said.

Will be very interesting to see who is left standing.

Maybe Tesla will never crack self-driving, but an insolvent company definitely won't either.

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

#66
The death knell of Cruise.

Personally, after CA DMV pulled their license to operate. Cruise ceased all operations in other states (particularly in TX).

Their vehicles were by far the worst to deal with as both a pedestrian and driver. As a pedestrian, I have had more close calls with their vehicles compared to human drivers. They have caused unnecessary traffic jams (in Austin, TX there was an infamous incident in West Campus that took forever to clear). When their vehicles pulled over, they often did not pull over completely and thus becoming obstructions on the road. Cruise flooded the streets of DT austin at night to pump their mileage numbers as well. It was quite a common sight to see at least 2-3 cruise vehicles circling the same neighborhoods and even hogging all of the EV charging infrastructure.

Good riddance. I say.

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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I’m guessing cruise is pretty much over. What’s really unfortunate is I worked with many people who worked with Kyle and no one had a single good thing to say about him. And I’ve often heard that before with people who knew other CEOs but they kinda grudgingly admitted they did what was needed to get it done. However over and over I just heard phrases like “lost” “aimless” and “confused mess” with Kyle and it never w…

I just do not understand how people can look at a company that has achieved what Cruise has with such pessimism. Successfully completing 250k autonomous rides is an extraordinarily achievement. Yes, there have been problems, but the issues that Cruise is facing today are a world away from the kinds of problems autonomous vehicles were facing even 5 years ago. The fact that there is one major incident being discussed and not a pile of bodies indicates just how close we are to what will undoubtedly be the largest transformation in transportation, and human productivity, in our lifetimes. Saying that they are "pretty much over" when they are one of two organizations in the world with this level of capability makes no sense to me.

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Since there is so much negativity in this thread, let me balance it with my take as someone who worked at Cruise for 5 years (left 3 years ago). Kyle is the smartest, most technically capable, driven person I have ever had the opportunity to work for. He had a deep technical understanding of the system, a great intuition for unnecessary complexity, and a constant desire to find and resolve engineering bottlenecks. An…

If Cruise is the amongst the “world leading AV technology”, we are truly f’d.

As a person that had to deal with Cruise vehicles on the streets, they were by far the worst.

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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post #3

GM is getting ready to absorb. Watch

No this will be cut off, likely it's the end. Self driving cars are extremely expensive, terrible business model, despite 20 years of promises of they still need babying by a team of humans in a tightly controlled area. Too much capital is necessary in the high interest rate environment. Waymo is probably going to die too.

Waymo's fine.
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