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Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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I honestly believe the best to make AI responsibly is to make it open source. That way no single entity has total control over it, and researchers can study them to better understand how they can be used nefariously as well as in a good way—doing that allows us to build defenses to minimize the risks, and reap the benefits. Meta is already doing that, but other companies and organizations should do that as well.

If it really is A"I", shouldn't it figure out for itself and do it?

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

#62

I honestly believe the best to make AI responsibly is to make it open source. That way no single entity has total control over it, and researchers can study them to better understand how they can be used nefariously as well as in a good way—doing that allows us to build defenses to minimize the risks, and reap the benefits. Meta is already doing that, but other companies and organizations should do that as well.

GNU/Linux is open source. Is it being used responsibly? What is the "it" that no single entity has control over? You have absolutely no control of what your next door neighbor is doing with open source. Hey, if we want alcohol to be made responsibly, everyone should have their own still, made from freely redistributed blueprints. That way no single entity has control.

I think the question mark is if AI is more akin to the nuclear bomb of the Internet.

If you don't put barriers, how quickly will AI bots take over people in online discourse, interaction and publication?

This isn't just for the sake of keeping the Internet an interesting place free of bots and fraud and all that.

But I've also heard that it's about improving AI itself. If AI starts to pollute the dataset we train AI on, the entire Internet, you get this weird feedback loop where the models could almost get worse over time, as they will start to unknowingly train on things their older versions produced.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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post #58

I really really hate what we did to LLMs. We throttled it so much that it's not as useful as it used to be. I think everybody understands that the LLMs lie some % of the time, it's just dumb to censor them. Good move on Meta.

What useful thing could the AI do that it can't do any longer?

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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post #57

How convenient! Turns out they don’t give the slightest damn about “Responsible AI” in the first place. It’s nice to roll out news like this while everyone else is distracted.

Meta is probably the most ethical company in AI at the moment. Most importantly, their models are open source.

Maybe this news should challenge your priors, then?

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

#65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting the results is nice but that's "shareware" not "free software" (or, for a more modern example, that is like companies submitting firmware binary blobs into mainline Linux). Free software means you have to be able to build the final binary from source. Having 10 TB of text is no problem, but having a data center of GPUs is. Until the training cost comes down there is no way to make it free software.

If I publish a massive quantity of source code — to the point that it’s very expensive to compile — it’s still open source. If the training data and model training code is available then it should be considered open, even if it’s hard to train.

> the training data

This will never be fully open

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

#66

Safety for AI is like making safe bullets or safe swords or safe shotguns. The reason why there's so much emphasis on this is liability. That's it. Otherwise there's really no point. It's the psychological aspect of blame that influences the liability. If I wanted to make a dirty bomb it's harder to blame google for it if I found the results through google, easier to blame AI for it if I found the results from an LLM…

> Safety for AI is like making safe bullets or safe swords or safe shotguns.

This seems like a very confused analogy for two reasons. One, there's a reason you aren't able to get your hands on a sword or shotgun in most places on earth, I'd prefer that not to be the case for AI.

Secondly, AI is a general purpose tool. Safety for AI is like safety for a car, or a phone, or the electrity grid. it's going to be a ubiqutous background technology, not merely a tool to inflict damage. And I want safety and reliablity in a technology that's going to power most stuff around me.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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post #58

I really really hate what we did to LLMs. We throttled it so much that it's not as useful as it used to be. I think everybody understands that the LLMs lie some % of the time, it's just dumb to censor them. Good move on Meta.

What useful thing could the AI do that it can't do any longer?

Make good jokes.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

#68
post #58

I really really hate what we did to LLMs. We throttled it so much that it's not as useful as it used to be. I think everybody understands that the LLMs lie some % of the time, it's just dumb to censor them. Good move on Meta.

Honestly after what happened with the OpenAI board, it's kind of hard to take the AI safety people seriously. I think there are real problems with Gen AI systems including data privacy, copyright, the potential for convincing misinformation/propaganda, etc, but I'm really not convinced a text generator is an existential threat to the species. We need to take these problems seriously and some of the AI safety discussion makes that really difficult.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

#69

I honestly believe the best to make AI responsibly is to make it open source. That way no single entity has total control over it, and researchers can study them to better understand how they can be used nefariously as well as in a good way—doing that allows us to build defenses to minimize the risks, and reap the benefits. Meta is already doing that, but other companies and organizations should do that as well.

https://j3s.sh/thought/drones-run-linux-free-software-isnt-e...

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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It never made any organizational sense for me to have a "responsible AI team" in the first place. Every team doing AI work should be responsible and should think about the ethical (and legal at a bare minimum baseline) dimension of what they are doing. Having that concentrated in a single team means that team becomes a bottleneck where they have to vet all AI work everyone else does for responsibility and/or everyone else gets a free pass to develop irresponsible AI which doesn't sound great to me.

At some point AI becomes important enough to a company (and mature enough as a field) that there is a specific part of legal/compliance in big companies that deals with the concrete elements of AI ethics and compliance and maybe trains everyone else, but everyone doing AI has to do responsible AI. It can't be a team.

For me this is exactly like how big Megacorps have an "Innovation team"[1] and convince themselves that makes them an innovative company. No - if you're an innovative company then you foster innovation everywhere. If you have an "innovation team" that's where innovation goes to die.

[1] In my experience they make a "really cool" floor with couches and everyone thinks it's cool to draw on the glass walls of the conference rooms instead of whiteboards.

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