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Teddy Roosevelt pursues the boat thieves (2015)

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Re: Teddy Roosevelt pursues the boat thieves (2015)

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The notion of objects being replaceable and therefore you shouldn't do much when they're taken is.. I think?... an invention of risk departments at modern corporations. Like sure if you're a department store you don't want to risk your employees getting hurt stopping a shoplifter, the downside far exceeds the upside. But as a person ? That's your stuff, and it makes total sense to want it , not a replacement, and to…

Agreed, and at the risk of saying something inflammatory, it really grinds my gears when I hear people argue against lethal defense of property with comments along the lines of, "Is your X really worth more than someone's life?", as if the moral and ethical burden should fall on the victim and not the aggressor. Property and ownings aren't free, you often cannot replace them without cost or replace them at all if the…

TR went to significant risk and effort to retrieve his boat and see that the thieves were jailed. It would have been much easier - expected, even - that he would have just shot them dead.

Of course not everyone is TR. He is a high moral standard to live up to, and he was also a lot stronger than most then and certainly most today.

Re: Teddy Roosevelt pursues the boat thieves (2015)

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Background... 1) Great read: "Roosevelt in the Bad Lands", by Hermann Hagedorn. Boston and New York Houghton Mifflin Company, The Riverside Press Cambridge 1921, Copyright 1921 by Hermann Hagedorn, available at https://www.gutenberg.org/files/24317/24317-h/24317-h.htm 2) Some modern photos of the country there, plus my own random thoughts: "Moody, hey?" at https://ultralighter.blogspot.com/2017/10/moody-hey.html I li…

knuckleheads are nothing to celebrate - you can't wear glasses in that bar because you have to be ready to knuckle-up. generations of broken tooth morons IMHO

hint- yes, getting knocked hard in the head, over and over, often results in long-term brain damage. The men who practiced it had honor among the hunting pack, to look past not being able to do simple arithmetic or remember what week it is... more common among illiterate people, since reading differentiates quickly for those cognitive traits

Re: Teddy Roosevelt pursues the boat thieves (2015)

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Lethal force is only to be used in self defense, when your life is truly threatened and you truly have no other way of stopping them.

I don't know the context in which you mean that, so maybe I am misunderstanding you. But in my eyes someone who has chosen to commit theft on your property is already showing enough of a blatant disregard for social norms and the safety of you or your family that your life would be considered threatened. It's not possible to know their intentions or motivation and I wouldn't pass judgement on someone who chose lethal…

For what it's worth, the only state in the United States which agrees with your philosophy is Texas. Every other state requires an imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm to justify the use of lethal force. (And honestly, Texas only holds that position because of its huge size and ranching background, where cattle rustling stood a major risk to the state's economy.)

Re: Teddy Roosevelt pursues the boat thieves (2015)

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The notion that a thief would have to pay for their crimes with their life, either because anyone could be armed and its legal to protect your property with lethal force, or the government would punish repeated theft with death, I think would be enough to deter most people from doing so. It's the fact that a jail/prison sentence is meaningless to most criminals (if they're even sent there), that we have such rampant…

> They enjoy unparalleled safety in their cities. Plenty of countries/cities which don't are pretty safe too (e.g. Eastern Europe these days)

I'm not gonna pretend homogeneity isn't a factor.
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