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Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

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Post by m_ke »

woeirua wrote: post #57
m_ke wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds to me like it wasn't just Ilya, but the whole research and engineering team that was tired of his shit. See: https://www.reddit.com/user/Anxious_Bandicoot126

Yeah… I don’t know. A lot of engineers miss the forest for the trees when it comes to business demands. Very possible that a return to a “safety oriented” culture means that OpenAI fades slowly into obscurity.

A lot of engineers are interested in working on important things, not growing at all cost in hope of a large exit.

Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

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Post by dougmwne »

m_ke wrote: post #48
dougmwne wrote: post #30

Ilya just self-immolated the hottest company of the decade with an 80 billion dollar valuation, all to make a point that he thinks AGI is too close and that safety needs to come first before all else. That’s quite the statement!

Sounds to me like it wasn't just Ilya, but the whole research and engineering team that was tired of his shit. See: https://www.reddit.com/user/Anxious_Bandicoot126

Yeah I read that and it really came off like a salty engineer who was tired of being pushed by the exec team to crank out more business value. Sounds like this person’s position is that OpenAI should have been a cozy little research lab where the scientists got to play with their cool toys, not ruthlessly execute on a product vision. Billion dollar business are built out of ego. If you want to work in a lab that can’t ship, head over to Deep Mind (that’s a joke, even Deep Mind needs to ship now).

Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

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Post by lostmsu »

solardev wrote: post #27
dougmwne wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly they will have a new AI startup by Monday.

Plot twist: They hire all the laid off Alexa people and make the world's best voice controlled light switch

Howdy-doodly-do, how's it going?

Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

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Post by reducesuffering »

transcriptase wrote: post #56
dougmwne wrote: post #30

Ilya just self-immolated the hottest company of the decade with an 80 billion dollar valuation, all to make a point that he thinks AGI is too close and that safety needs to come first before all else. That’s quite the statement!

At this point whenever I see someone concerned about "safety" with respect to AI, I assume it's either someone who wants to: a) Make sure it's sufficiently neutered as to not say something offensive or incongruent with certain ideologies, make certain topics off-limits or b) Scare lawmakers into making it impossible for anyone to catch up to OpenAI et al, so they can reap the benefits of cutting-edge AI while keeping…

Neither apply to myself or thousands, so reevaluate your flawed thinking.

Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

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Post by s1artibartfast »

himaraya wrote: post #51
s1artibartfast wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

unfortunately, that is also how reddit roleplay works too.

front-running scoops from journalists?

yeah, often times that is the case. Because reddit is antonymous and free, people can and do make all kinds of claims, some of which come true. If you have 500 people making up different claims, it is likely that one of them will come true, even if that person was guessing/lying.

Im not saying that real leaks dont happen, but that pre-running the news is really weak evidence the on reddit, unless the claims are incredibly specific.

I dont think there was anything they said on reddit that was very specific, and several posters in the HN thread speculating the same thing, just without claiming to be "in the room".

It is kind of like publishing multiple weather predictions, and then claiming credit for the one that is correct.

Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

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Post by himaraya »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #65
himaraya wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

front-running scoops from journalists?

yeah, often times that is the case. Because reddit is antonymous and free, people can and do make all kinds of claims, some of which come true. If you have 500 people making up different claims, it is likely that one of them will come true, even if that person was guessing/lying. Im not saying that real leaks dont happen, but that pre-running the news is really weak evidence the on reddit, unless the claims are incre…

The consistent detail about the store breaking the camel's back sounds rather specific. I guess time will tell whether more claims by this user hold up.

Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

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Post by davorak »

woeirua wrote: post #47
Imnimo wrote: post #43

What I still don't get about all this is if this is just a case of Ilya deciding to play board room Game of Thrones because he has a different vision for OpenAI than Sam and Greg, why throw Sam under the bus with this line in the announcement: "Mr. Altman’s departure follows a deliberative review process by the board, which concluded that he was not consistently candid in his communications with the board, hindering…

This is why I think there are more shoes to drop still. That language is exceptionally specific and harsh.

Or the board is not entrenched in typical corporate cultural/lingo and did not know how their language would stand out.

Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

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Post by whatusername »

elfbargpt wrote: post #39

Something to consider: the post announcing his firing is now the 7th most upvoted post on hacker news and climbing. Does Sam Altman really deserve that much attention for his role in OpenAI, and is the fact that it's getting this much attention part of the reason he was kicked? Zuckerberg started Fb in his dorm and Steve Jobs left his mark on every inch of their flagship products. Altman was positioned to be the next…

This is hacker news. Sam was the founder of a startup in the very first round of YC. He then later became president of YC. I expect news of him to resonate more around here.

And OpenAI have been the most exciting tech company of the last 12 months.

Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

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Post by notatoad »

nostrademons wrote: post #37
acjohnson55 wrote: post #7

I think we just experienced an all-time moment in corporate politics. It's kind of like Steve Jobs being fired, but if it happened immediately after the Apple II. It feels like OpenAI has already cemented its place in history, whether or not it becomes a titan for the long run.

It's very, very common. Remember when Jack Dorsey was ousted from Twitter and replaced by Evan Williams, who was himself ousted and replaced by Dick Costolo, who was replaced when Dorsey came back? Or the drama around Yishan Wong's sudden resignation as Reddit CEO, to be replaced by Ellen Pao, to be replaced as the founder Steve Huffman came back? The Flexport drama last month where the hired CEO was replaced by the…

>Or the drama around Yishan Wong's sudden resignation as Reddit CEO, to be replaced by Ellen Pao

you're missing one noteworthy name who was CEO between those two people :)

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Post by [deleted] »

whatusername wrote: post #68
elfbargpt wrote: post #39

Something to consider: the post announcing his firing is now the 7th most upvoted post on hacker news and climbing. Does Sam Altman really deserve that much attention for his role in OpenAI, and is the fact that it's getting this much attention part of the reason he was kicked? Zuckerberg started Fb in his dorm and Steve Jobs left his mark on every inch of their flagship products. Altman was positioned to be the next…

This is hacker news. Sam was the founder of a startup in the very first round of YC. He then later became president of YC. I expect news of him to resonate more around here. And OpenAI have been the most exciting tech company of the last 12 months.

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