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Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Post by donatj »

djbusby wrote: post #58
donatj wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way? The subs are the script (often translated) + timestamps. It’s the definition of a derivative work. The subs wouldn’t exist without the original work. Edit: Yes, it’s a subset of the script and not thee script itself, and being a pedant about that isn’t a useful point. It’s just pedantic.

Script has more content (eg visuals, setting, mood, directions) - subtitles are just the noises.

If I tried to sell a novel with parts missing and translated, I’d still get in legal trouble.

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Post by sethgecko »

Anunayj wrote: post #52
clarionbell wrote: post #42

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Well. I don't know, but in my experience it shouldn't be too hard. The most difficult part would be timestamps I guess.

The Whisper API provides timestamped subtitle files, so that's a non issue, all you have to do is extract the audio, split and upload

I've made this little wrapper to do all that locally. `makesub video.mp4` will split the stream and create video.en.srt locally via whisper.cpp

https://github.com/mcdallas/whispersub

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Post by cmcaleer »

donatj wrote: post #47
drexlspivey wrote: post #41

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Yes you are wrong because a movie script and movie subs are not the same thing at all

In what way? The subs are the script (often translated) + timestamps. It’s the definition of a derivative work. The subs wouldn’t exist without the original work. Edit: Yes, it’s a subset of the script and not thee script itself, and being a pedant about that isn’t a useful point. It’s just pedantic.

But reading the script to a Simpsons episode doesn't replace actually watching the Simpsons episode.

Similarly, I might pay for a subscription to a website which has a detailed review of that episode along with screenshots. Neither replace watching it, not even close.

I do think that subs are a little bit more legally ambiguous than a review but I think you could make a reasonable argument that they're a fair use under US copyright law.

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Post by devnonymous »

donatj wrote: post #47
drexlspivey wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes you are wrong because a movie script and movie subs are not the same thing at all

In what way? The subs are the script (often translated) + timestamps. It’s the definition of a derivative work. The subs wouldn’t exist without the original work. Edit: Yes, it’s a subset of the script and not thee script itself, and being a pedant about that isn’t a useful point. It’s just pedantic.

People were writing movie scripts long before the talkies became popular :-)

Movie scripts contain much more than the dialogues. There's enough of an argument to be made that transcription is covered by fair use rights.

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Post by miki123211 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #56
clarionbell wrote: post #37

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And when they do that people just fork and go along with their own. Tofu being a great example, opensearch somewhat less.

More like Reddit. The contributors will just leave and you'll be left with a corpse of content to rip going forward. Tofu is different because of the broad contributor base around the Terraform ecosystem. Lots of people's jobs (or companies even, Spacelift for example) depend on Tofu not only existing, but improving into the future. If you have a benevolent dictator with deep pockets, throttling usage and retrieval i…

Did anybody (outside of the tech/HN open-source-die-hard bubble) actually leave Reddit?

From what I saw, there were protests which most Redit users barely noticed (the front-page just served content from the subreddits that didn't go private), and then there was nothing. The long-term impact seems to be small to nonexistent.

Maybe if the users organized better and started posting "brand unsafe" content everywhere instead of just going dark, the effects (and especially the effects on advertisers and Reddit profitability) would have been different. One can dream, though.

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Post by toomuchtodo »

miki123211 wrote: post #65
toomuchtodo wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like Reddit. The contributors will just leave and you'll be left with a corpse of content to rip going forward. Tofu is different because of the broad contributor base around the Terraform ecosystem. Lots of people's jobs (or companies even, Spacelift for example) depend on Tofu not only existing, but improving into the future. If you have a benevolent dictator with deep pockets, throttling usage and retrieval i…

Did anybody (outside of the tech/HN open-source-die-hard bubble) actually leave Reddit? From what I saw, there were protests which most Redit users barely noticed (the front-page just served content from the subreddits that didn't go private), and then there was nothing. The long-term impact seems to be small to nonexistent. Maybe if the users organized better and started posting "brand unsafe" content everywhere ins…

Hard to say without Reddit showing their traffic cards, just anecdotal evidence. Admittedly, if you're consuming big subs similar to what you'd consume on Tiktok (r/funny, r/worldnews, etc), likely little impact to traffic. I know the mods from some of the subs I follow fled (admittedly smaller readership, r/econmonitor and r/machinelearning for example). Reddit will have to show their hand when they attempt to IPO, as they then tread into securities fraud territory if the metrics are not accurate.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36289290 (Ask HN: Anyone at Reddit can confirm a traffic dip?)

(n=1, I consume Reddit now with a Lemmy mirror of the subs I'm interested in)

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Post by Novosell »

donatj wrote: post #47
drexlspivey wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes you are wrong because a movie script and movie subs are not the same thing at all

In what way? The subs are the script (often translated) + timestamps. It’s the definition of a derivative work. The subs wouldn’t exist without the original work. Edit: Yes, it’s a subset of the script and not thee script itself, and being a pedant about that isn’t a useful point. It’s just pedantic.

Scripts include things such as "Character X does Y" and "Z event happens". Subtitles are more like a transcript or written down song lyrics.

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Post by Joker_vD »

efsavage wrote: post #53
crazygringo wrote: post #18

> Your consumer can query the API on its own, and download 5 subtitles per IP's per 24 hours, but a user must be authenticated to download more. Users will then be able to download as many subtitles as their ranks allows, from 10 as simple signed up user, to 1000 for VIP user. > If you wish to offer subtitles without prompting for an opensubtitles account, please contact us and tell us about your project... For an ea…

When I see "open" I read it as "I can do what I want with it". I don't read it as any obligation on the part of the provider/creator to incur ongoing costs on my behalf.

"Open" as in "open beer", so to speak.
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