Since fractional scaling got cut from GNOME, I guess I will be waiting a bit longer.
Fedora Workstation 39
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
I found Silverblue to be quite frustrating, perhaps I should take more time to learn it. IMO, Guix/Nix offer superior solutions.
The problem I have with Nix is that it adds a lot of abstraction/complexity on top of everything. This is fine for power users, but I don't see it ever being used by anyone else. Silverblue also imposes some additional complexity, but it's way closer to vanilla Linux than Nix is, and I believe the usability aspect of it is limited mostly by flatpak. I have used both quite substantially, and they both are good solutio…
I absolutely agree on the complexity of Nix, it’s an entirely different paradigm than traditional Linux/BSD distros. That said, in many ways the silverblue/ostree approach seems to be too much of a “compromise”, so to speak. To elaborate, the traditional approaches to package management is disappointing users, straining maintainers, and falling behind the needs of developers. While Nix takes a radical approach and totally redesigns package management, Silverblue would rather present an illusion of a traditional system to software and boxes up the mess in containers.
Ultimately Silverblue is trying to be an “immutable” system without the need to coordinate packages and/or software. And such an approach is highly appealing for enterprise support, but the end result is somewhat of a Frankenstein system. Of course Nix is not without its warts, I can’t stand its language and documentation is terrible.
Overall I find Guix to be my favorite of the bunch. It’s legitimately a wonderful tool to develop with, I agree with the emphasis of reproducibility and bootstrapping, Guile is a wonderful language for configs/scripts, and it comes with a great manual. Even still, I couldn’t recommend GuixSD due to the lack of systemd and the hardline approach to free software (libre Linux).
Re: Fedora Workstation 39
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
After 23 years, I got fed up with Debian's many idiosyncrasies/breakage and decided to try Fedora. It's been a breath of fresh air, and I've been pleasantly surprised how much of the stuff I want which required fiddling or compiling in Debian is just in the repos on Fedora. Unfortunately, unless they've fixed all the bugs that were keeping me off Wayland in F38, I won't be migrating to the reportedly Xorgless F39. Be…
They're not removing Xorg, they're just making it no longer the default. You're still free to use it though it's getting no official support because Xorg is dead.
Alright, looks like I got bad intel. It's F40 that will drop the X session for KDE[1,2], coinciding with the Plasma 6 plan to phase out X support. I understand GNOME is also planning to drop X. Evidently Nvidia is not being allowed to hold up Wayland progress by the Fedora team anymore [3].
I just wish they'd fix Wayland bugs like the mouse cursor being tiny in Firefox when using UI scaling, or text twitching on screen like my video card is dying, both of which go away in Xorg. I'll find my own way to make XScreenSavers work.
[1] https://www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-40-Approves-Plasma-6
[2] https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/395
[3] https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/please-dont-remove-xo...
Re: Fedora Workstation 39
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
For me unfortunately the spin has been broken: when trying to login into KDE Plasma Wayland session, I see a frozen image of my laptop's vendor logo (Dell) or the last "black screen image available" (like the underline cursor in top-left corner). The session works if I login through another tty (F2 or any other F key) and type `startplasma-wayland`, but not through SDDM. X11 works fine too. It's just the transition f…
Yep, this is the kind of stuff I see with KDE all the time. I find it weird that people praise it for stability.
I tried Fedora KDE (I was using gnome) a year back and faced a lot of problems. Maybe its something to do with Fedora and not KDE, but I had a terrible experience with KDE.
Re: Fedora Workstation 39
#65Not kidding, the future should be Fedora Silverblue layered on top of Fedora CoreOS. Immutable Linux is the future, and extending existing images is how they should be layering for each Fedora... flavor :)
Isn't CoreOS and Silverblue basically the same thing? They're both rpm-ostree things, the difference is that Silverblue/Kinoite/Sericea happens to have a base layer that boots to graphical.target instead of multi-user.target? I myself am looking to test openSUSE Aeon later, yet another rpm-ostree thing.
Conceptually, they are immutable Linux distros, but they're far from being the same.
CoreOS is optimised for server use, and made to run containers and containers only, with unattended system upgrades/reboots.
Silverblue is a workstation-type distro, centered around Flatpak and pet-type containers for real work (toolbox, distrobox)
The difference is larger than running Fedora Server on your desktop.
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#66I switched from Win to Fedora Workstation on laptop 2 years ago. And I'm not regret this decision. Also I have Fedora Workstation on home media server with cockpit. Works great, however its lerning process. Setting everything up for my needs require a lot of searching and trying.
Unfortunately I cannot switch to Fedora on my desktop, mainly because of lack of support of Adobe (need for work), missing 10bit support and CUDA. Linux is not mature for professional work in audiovisual production industry. Which makes me sad sometimes. Quite a lot. Adobe monopoly is frustrating.
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#67My experience with Fedora ended quickly, after installing it in the VBox, just like any other distro I've used, it was glitching terribly. Every second letter of any text had been invisible and the whole DE was blinking at a rate of the mouse move speed. After showing this to the reddit Linux community I was told that I'm holding it wrong and shouldn't be using Fedora+VBox, and that I had a driver issue (duh, thanks Sherlock). Went back to Ubuntu and Xubuntu. Sure, they have snaps and some other weird decisions, but at least they work much more stable.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I understand it, if you exercise your rights to distribute the RHEL source code, Red Hat may terminate your gratis license.
Correct because it’s free if you agree to the terms. Amazing concept. It’s like if you let me in your house, let me use your stuff, and then you ask me not to break something and then I break something and you kick me out and I get upset.
Bad analogy, but let's go along with it.
The open source license already says you can go into the house and do whatever you want, including breaking something and kicking you out.
Your additional instruction to not break something goes against the rights initially granted.
To make it worse, one is covered by copyright law and the other by business contract law.
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#69Fedora 39 KDE Spin has been flawless so far, and I love the window tiling native support. Also, suspend on Nvidia works again for me.. not sure if it's related or driver release coincidence.
For me unfortunately the spin has been broken: when trying to login into KDE Plasma Wayland session, I see a frozen image of my laptop's vendor logo (Dell) or the last "black screen image available" (like the underline cursor in top-left corner). The session works if I login through another tty (F2 or any other F key) and type `startplasma-wayland`, but not through SDDM. X11 works fine too. It's just the transition f…
For me the only KDE distribution that works is OpenSuse. I tried many others (including Fedora KDE spin) and had significant issues each time. Even KDE Neon was a disappointment. So I’m in the green chameleon land for now.
Re: Fedora Workstation 39
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't CoreOS and Silverblue basically the same thing? They're both rpm-ostree things, the difference is that Silverblue/Kinoite/Sericea happens to have a base layer that boots to graphical.target instead of multi-user.target? I myself am looking to test openSUSE Aeon later, yet another rpm-ostree thing.
Conceptually, they are immutable Linux distros, but they're far from being the same. CoreOS is optimised for server use, and made to run containers and containers only, with unattended system upgrades/reboots. Silverblue is a workstation-type distro, centered around Flatpak and pet-type containers for real work (toolbox, distrobox) The difference is larger than running Fedora Server on your desktop.
So, it sounds like "Fedora Silverblue layered on top of Fedora CoreOS" is incoherent.