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At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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Re: At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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Not here defending SpaceX, cannot speak for some of the specific cases like the individual who was sitting on top of a truck to hold a load down. What I don't like though is the lack of real comparison. It reads more like a hit piece against spacex with all the specific examples of cases that tug at the heart. Would like to see some better comparison, I don't know how realistic the space industry average is. How many…

Here's an article showing how Musks other company, Tesla, has a 3x larger injury occurence in Berlin as e.g. Audi: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37689959

You all really need to stop shilling for that dude.

Re: At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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post #61
post #26

Not here defending SpaceX, cannot speak for some of the specific cases like the individual who was sitting on top of a truck to hold a load down. What I don't like though is the lack of real comparison. It reads more like a hit piece against spacex with all the specific examples of cases that tug at the heart. Would like to see some better comparison, I don't know how realistic the space industry average is. How many…

Here's an article showing how Musks other company, Tesla, has a 3x larger injury occurence in Berlin as e.g. Audi: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37689959 You all really need to stop shilling for that dude.

Critical reading of potentially bad journalism isn't shilling.

Re: At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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post #18
post #8

A worthy sacrifice for the advancement of humankind

If only Elon was actually advancing actual humanity, and not just his own narrow idea of what humanity should be. Also, trying to establish a self-sustaining base on Mars right now is short-sighted and a tremendous waste of energy and material. Also also, how you do a thing is (often) as important as doing the thing itself, we're still suffering the consequences of last centuries megalomaniacal claims to be advancing…

> And just in case someone mentions something like D-Day,

Did you mean the Eastern Front?

Re: At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ultimately, a worker sitting on top of a truck to hold down a load, is a failure of the company: rules and trainings have to be implace to avoid this unsafe behavior, managers, and ultimately the CEO, has to enforce those rules. If that doesn't happen an unsafe culture is promoted, one that leads to accidents.

How do you train someone not to do stupid sh*t like that? What’s saying that employee didn’t go through H&S training? I get the legalities, it’s just a fringe case to the extreme, and conflation of that case to imply some wider problem. Reads like a hit piece.

You have to ensure that they don't do that. This can be through strict controls, peers and firing people you deem to do too much unsafe stuff.

Re: At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ultimately, a worker sitting on top of a truck to hold down a load, is a failure of the company: rules and trainings have to be implace to avoid this unsafe behavior, managers, and ultimately the CEO, has to enforce those rules. If that doesn't happen an unsafe culture is promoted, one that leads to accidents.

Right, but this piece did not focus on the data and instead of pulled specific examples out. I think it would have been more convincing to at least speak more on the numbers, compare it to the US averages and look at different industries within the US. If I take the BLS average of missed days and other, 2.7 is higher then what I think is the 2.2 average that spacex has across different sites. I am not saying that mea…

Journalists do seem to be given an extraordinarily wide allowance for selection bias.

Most negative stories about SpaceX / Tesla / Twitter could have been written about any of their competitors in the just by changing a few details.

Re: At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but this piece did not focus on the data and instead of pulled specific examples out. I think it would have been more convincing to at least speak more on the numbers, compare it to the US averages and look at different industries within the US. If I take the BLS average of missed days and other, 2.7 is higher then what I think is the 2.2 average that spacex has across different sites. I am not saying that mea…

Journalists do seem to be given an extraordinarily wide allowance for selection bias. Most negative stories about SpaceX / Tesla / Twitter could have been written about any of their competitors in the just by changing a few details.

Not when it comes to workplace saftey or going to war over some collective bargaining in Sweden, then not.

And Twitter, well, there are hardly any comparisons, are there?

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