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System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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Post by bgribble »

nasso_ wrote: post #13

> Among other things, this means that modern forms of suspend work out of the box That sounds very promising. That has always been a major annoyance to me. I don't think i have every owned a laptop with linux where I actually trusted that it would still have battery the day after if I just closed the lid.

I may have misunderstood, but I did not read this as saying "S3 suspend works". I read it as "'Modern suspend' works, so I don't have to keep trying to get S3 suspend working".

That is basically the opposite of what you want. 'Modern suspend' is why you burn battery with the lid closed, overheat your laptop when it's closed in a backpack, etc. It sucks. It's not sleeping in any real sense and can power up to full power if a fly farts too close to the microphone.

For better or worse (worse IMO), I think that what we knew as "suspend to RAM" or S3 is gone forever. It was apparently just too hard to get working reliably with all the peripheral hardware and they gave up.

Everything I have read says that for any recent laptop, if you want reliable suspending that won't burn battery you have to always "hibernate" or "suspend to disk". It takes longer to start back up but initializes all the peripherals from "off" so it can be more reliable.

I'm still working with my older HP laptop that has legit S3 and am dreading an upgrade to a "modern" one.

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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Post by discmonkey »

chrismorgan wrote: post #55
discmonkey wrote: post #31

Figure I might as well drop a quick review after 2 years with the lemur pro 11 Pros: * Most things "just work", which you only appreciate after working with other linux laptops. For example, I can seamlessly plug this laptop in place of my work macbook with just one usb-c cable. That being said I think things have generally gotten better in the space so this may not be as much of a selling point anymore. Additionally…

> * Nice keyboard Hang on, I thought this was still Clevo stuff. I bought a Clevo-ODM laptop a decade or so ago, the keyboard was atrocious in feel (no click left at all on most keys, just linearish sponginess) and activation (e.g. Space was quite difficult to activate, A would very regularly double-activate) within two years. And I know I’ve heard similar complaints regularly since then from others.

yeah - as seen from a few comments on my post, everyone has different opinions on non-objective stuff related to keyboard/trackpad. I feel like the keyboard is pretty responsive while the trackpad isn't, but the only way for you to know is to have tried it I guess.

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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Post by barbariangrunge »

discmonkey wrote: post #31

Figure I might as well drop a quick review after 2 years with the lemur pro 11 Pros: * Most things "just work", which you only appreciate after working with other linux laptops. For example, I can seamlessly plug this laptop in place of my work macbook with just one usb-c cable. That being said I think things have generally gotten better in the space so this may not be as much of a selling point anymore. Additionally…

Use gnome and your IDEs keyboard shortcuts and you'll almost never need to touch your trackpad. Until it's time to use a web app anyway

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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Post by [deleted] »

runamuck wrote: post #32
camjohnson26 wrote: post #9

It’s a nice computer but calling it “repairable” is a farce, and System76’s customer support is unfortunately woefully inadequate. I have one of these and spilled a drink on my keyboard, getting it replaced was $300 of parts and labor, but the worst thing was it took almost 2 months pressuring their support reps to actually complete the process and they would frequently just not respond to messages, or ignore informa…

I had a good experience with System76 customer Support. I contacted them on Wednesday July 13th and they responded that Monday July 18th. They sent me a label immediately, I shipped it to them and with shipping time both ways I got my laptop back on the following Friday, July 29th.

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Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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Post by fulafel »

pimterry wrote: post #40

Why on earth have they shipped with a USB-C that you can charge from _and_ a barrel charging connector? Article says exactly the same power delivery on both. Anybody know what's going on there? Why not drop the barrel and put something else there (like another USB)? Seems bizarre.

Don't know their reasons but seems wise to me: USB-C tends to get clogged with lint easily. Also charging port breakage due to handling accidents is pretty common eg by accidentally pulling/twisting the connector sideways, good to have redundancy there.

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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Post by cassepipe »

thatcherc wrote: post #22

> System76 claims 14 hours, and I managed 11 hours in our battery drain test (looping a 1080p video). In real-world use, I frequently eked out over 13 hours. That’s off the charts better than any other Linux laptop I’ve tested recently. This is the most intriguing part to me. I've been mulling a Framework for a while but what's held be back so far is that the battery life is 9-10 hours after tuning, and I'd love it t…

They have a new battery with more capacity on their marketplace now I believe.

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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Post by jbeard4 »

discmonkey wrote: post #31

Figure I might as well drop a quick review after 2 years with the lemur pro 11 Pros: * Most things "just work", which you only appreciate after working with other linux laptops. For example, I can seamlessly plug this laptop in place of my work macbook with just one usb-c cable. That being said I think things have generally gotten better in the space so this may not be as much of a selling point anymore. Additionally…

Agree, battery life is atrocious. I get typically get 1.5-2 hours on a charge, after 2.5 years of ownership. I always have anxiety about plugging it in. It's the biggest problem with this machine.

Other than that, I have been very happy with it. Keyboard, trackpad, screen - all adequate for me. In every way other than the battery, it pretty much gets out of the way and gets the job done.

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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Post by jwells89 »

thatcherc wrote: post #22

> System76 claims 14 hours, and I managed 11 hours in our battery drain test (looping a 1080p video). In real-world use, I frequently eked out over 13 hours. That’s off the charts better than any other Linux laptop I’ve tested recently. This is the most intriguing part to me. I've been mulling a Framework for a while but what's held be back so far is that the battery life is 9-10 hours after tuning, and I'd love it t…

If battery life is a focal point, one model that may be worth considering is the HP Dragonfly G4, which from the reviews I’ve seen gets 13-20 hours depending on the test. That’s under Windows though, not sure how it’d fare with Linux.

I’ve been underwhelmed with my ThinkPad’s performance in this aspect and have been considering trading it in for a G4 for this reason.

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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Post by zamalek »

As a AMD fanboy, I have been using the Pangolin for a few months now. I can't currently use PopOS (Intune only works on LTE Ubuntu), so I'm not getting the full benefits of the laptop - notably the battery life. I get about 5hr with a pretty big stack of containers running, as well as working in Rider. This is strictly less than the M1 that I was using prior to this laptop. A flight-safe Anker battery pack bumps it up to the 10hr I was hoping for.

Performance-wise? It makes the M1 look like a complete joke. Our MITM proxy (ZScaler, a truly terrible product) is CPU-bound, and the M1 would stutter during large container image pulls. I don't notice pulls on the Pangolin - I just keep working while they happen in the background. Builds are on the order of 30% faster. It also handles two external monitors.

Something is strange with secure boot and the System76 kernel; I just couldn't get it working.

Monitor is average, definitely less usable in sunlight (by virtue of being actually unusable) than Apple's offerings. Keyboard and touchpad are great. I did have some issues with the touchpad, and support told me to (gasp!) open the laptop and make sure the ribbon cable was seated properly - 10/10 repairability.

Re: System76's Lemur Pro Laptop Is Just a Nice Linux Laptop

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Post by dooglius »

discmonkey wrote: post #31

Figure I might as well drop a quick review after 2 years with the lemur pro 11 Pros: * Most things "just work", which you only appreciate after working with other linux laptops. For example, I can seamlessly plug this laptop in place of my work macbook with just one usb-c cable. That being said I think things have generally gotten better in the space so this may not be as much of a selling point anymore. Additionally…

Re: Battery life, are you using stock Pop OS or did you put something else on? I have also gotten bad battery life but I'm pretty sure it is because I installed over it; the battery life claimns come as a result of power-saving features built into Pop OS.
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