Tesla built factory in Germany and hired thousands of workers while Volvo build new EX40 car completely in China. Just saying.
Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla
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Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
One is a business decision, the other one is people exercising their rights.
People don't have rights over others private property that's the of the basis of human rights.
The company control their private property.
The labour can only control their own labour, so they choose to use that control.
How is that not in their right?
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please remember that unions in Sweden aren't the same as unions in the US.
I understand the feeling of Aborsy; in another European country (France) Unions are a non-elected political force that seizes power by force in a factory / company. Once they have established their power, they do anything they can to impose their law on other workers and collect money from both the owners, and the other employees. And to be considered part of the group, you have to pay an annual membership to them in…
I pay a couple dollars a year in Sweden and my union offers unemployment insurance, 80% of my salary for six months if I’m laid off. I’m okay with that annual membership if that was all I got :)
Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla
#64American companies often think that European unions are just stronger than unions in Europe. They don't realize that labor and union laws are different. Toys R Us tried the same in Sweden. They initially refused agreement and hired only non-union workers. But transport and logistics workers union and finance union started sympathy strike. Toys R Us didn't get deliveries and bank workers refused work related to compan…
Want to share my reply to a comment reply here that was deleted, which called this “crazy”: It’s not crazy. It’s a very effective way of balancing the power dynamics between corporations and workers. What’s crazy is not having these rights enshrined in law. Why should the government tell workers how they can or cannot strike? This way of doing it gets you one thing that some Americans dream of: no federal mandated un…
Except immigrants will come to the country and be willing to work for lower wages, they will be OK without taking the union benefits. Unions are a way to enrich current members by creating an exclusive cartel.
How do you deal with the fact that there are people willing to work for less?
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America pays more but has less of a safety net. I moved from Palo Alto to Stockholm and while I’m paid far less, everything else is cheaper or free. And I get twice the holiday. And I get a years paternity leave. And I don’t have to live in the Bay Area. So many perks, I’m happy to pay ~$80k for them!
Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla
#66American companies often think that European unions are just stronger than unions in Europe. They don't realize that labor and union laws are different. Toys R Us tried the same in Sweden. They initially refused agreement and hired only non-union workers. But transport and logistics workers union and finance union started sympathy strike. Toys R Us didn't get deliveries and bank workers refused work related to compan…
One of the key points to being unionized is the fact of solidarity with other union workers. that is where the power in unionization comes from. Literally, the entire purpose of unions is to give employees enough economic power to fight greedy CEOs, managers and boards As it stands now, corporations are entirely too powerful that the only way to actually fight back is to create collective support structures
Which is why solidarity strikes have been illegal in the US since 1947's Taft-Hartley Act.
Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would also add that many (most?) European countries allow multiple unions in the same shop, with worker choice. Inter-union competition is important to keep unions honest and aligned with their workers. I think this more than anything else is responsible for the anti-union sentiment in the US.
I'd say corporations and their wealthy owners, far more than any other factor, are responsible for the anti-union sentiment in the US.
I feel like this is a very convenient scapegoat for American unions to avoid looking internally at their own flaws. Many Americans have negative opinions of unions. Corporations and their wealthy owners have certainly put a lot of money to influence public opinion this way, but they aren't omnipotent. These efforts would be laughable off if the value-add of the union was readily-apparent. Dismissing anyone's negative opinion of a union as being the victim of a propaganda campaign is infantilizing, and dismissive of lived-experiences.
My negative opinion of a union came from my own direct experience as being part of a mega-union that crossed multiple industries. The structure of the union was such that they were so divorced from the actual work being done that they could not possibly help us. Advancement meant playing the union political game, and not being good at your job. They were a constant thorn in all of our sides. I try to limit my disdain to that union in particular (not all unions are like this). But your comment dismissing concerns such as these fault of the business sound incredibly tone deaf. And as a result will not lead to a positive opinion of unions in America.
Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla
#68Tesla built factory in Germany and hired thousands of workers while Volvo build new EX40 car completely in China. Just saying.
Geely Holding Group owns 51% of Volvo Cars, your argument is invalid.
(The trucks are manufactured by Volvo AB.)
Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
People don't have rights over others private property that's the of the basis of human rights.
The company control their private property. The labour can only control their own labour, so they choose to use that control. How is that not in their right?
I totally agree, they all have the right to not work there, but they don't really have a right to prevent others from delivering packages to a building.
Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla
#70Related from earlier: Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38190600
There's no mention of this union, or postal services, in that article. (It was published before SEKO put Tesla on notice)