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Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by phendrenad2 »

jsiepkes wrote: post #52
phendrenad2 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even though Linux is open-source, it's not immune to the force of money. There are paying customers for Red Hat, and maybe they don't care about DPI scaling that much.

Modern high-res screens in notebooks are almost unusable with Gnome. You need to enable "Large fonts" under accessibility to make it remotely usable. And these screens are becoming more common. So where do paying Red Hat customers use Gnome for then if it's not on notebooks and desktops? For servers?

That seems likely, yes

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by tjoff »

tmtvl wrote: post #20
tapoxi wrote: post #14

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It's 2256x1504 and 3:2. It's a nice screen, but it's one that absolutely works best at 1.5x scale since 1 is unreadable and 2 wastes plenty of screen real estate.

As an idiot who's never used a screen with more than 1080p resolution, is there a reason why just increasing font size doesn't work?

Most of the time that is actually much better than fractional scaling.

On a laptop you are severely constrained by the screen real estate, so minimizing the size of the clutter and focus on the content (text) is a great tradeoff in most circumstances.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by phendrenad2 »

tristan957 wrote: post #58
reisse wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt any of Red Hat paying customers are caring about image viewers or other important GNOME improvements in this release.

Red Hat didn't work on the image viewer. Why do you keep making comments on things you are uninformed on?

Exactly, distros need to kept up-to-date, and by updating GNOME, you get new features for free. Downstream, Fedora grabs these updates. Downstream of that, someone spams Hacker News with the changelog. It's the cycle of life.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by mikrl »

tapoxi wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of Fedora, and it seems this release does 90% of what I want, but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution, I once again fall into DPI scaling hell. GNOME locks fractional scaling behind an experimental option, apps like Signal are blurry and apps like Steam just seemingly ignore any attempt to scale properly. For what it's worth KDE seems to handle at least the blurry X scaling…

I tried using Wayland, but I forgot to write down the 7 esoteric GPU related options I had to pass to vscode to make it usable without visual glitches and eventually just gave up and went back to X11

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by scns »

butz wrote: post #46

KDE needs more attention. Now it is tucked away as a "spin" that does not inspire much confidence, but in some cases KDE provides much better user experience. Time to add all DEs into ISO and allow selecting the one you want during install, and software too. Like in old days of Fedora Core.

That's one reason why i chose openSUSE Tumbleweed, KDE is their primary desktop. Horses for courses.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by habibur »

otherme123 wrote: post #49
candiddevmike wrote: post #16

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Why do you say that? ARM usage is surging, especially on the hobby side which Fedora has seen a lot of use.

I'm a daily user of Fedora Desktop and Fedora Server (plus a couple of VPS), I couldn't be happier. But I tried it a couple of times on a Raspberry, and for some reason it's much worse than the Raspbian, so I waste time and SD cycles in installing Fedora, fighting bugs and going back to Raspbian.

worst two that I found are

- the audio jack doesn't work. Maybe it's because I installed the server installer instead of the client.

- GPIO ports doesn't stay on unless you lock it and keep your program running.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by sillywalk »

Handprint4469 wrote: post #6
tapoxi wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of Fedora, and it seems this release does 90% of what I want, but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution, I once again fall into DPI scaling hell. GNOME locks fractional scaling behind an experimental option, apps like Signal are blurry and apps like Steam just seemingly ignore any attempt to scale properly. For what it's worth KDE seems to handle at least the blurry X scaling…

> Maybe one day, everything will just work... I've had the same hope since I started using Linux, back in 2004.

>> Maybe one day, everything will just work...

> I've had the same hope since I started using Linux, back in 2004.

I've had the same hope since I started using Linux, back in 1994.

Driver support is better, and no X11 Modelines, which is nice.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by FireInsight »

doakes wrote: post #26

Can anyone speak to their experience with the atomic/immutable versions of Fedora (Onyx, Silverblue)? It sounds pretty interesting. [0] https://fedoraproject.org/silverblue/

I'm on a https://universal-blue.org/ -based "custom image" of Fedora Silverblue and I love it. In my image, I ship some essentials software and other things that are just easy to have in there like fonts, plus a script for installing gnome extensions. Then I have a Nix home-manager -based shell configuration containing some common developer tools as well. The bulk of the (GUI) software I use comes as Flatpaks, and my development environment is a distrobox arch container.

I've set all updates to be automatic and almost never have to worry about them. I am on the :latest tag and my computer updates between major versions automatically, and I haven't had any breakage yet. I feel pretty confident in the stability of my system and feel like were the disk to corrupt, I could get back up and running with the exact same setup very quickly.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by reisse »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #63
tristan957 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Red Hat didn't work on the image viewer. Why do you keep making comments on things you are uninformed on?

Exactly, distros need to kept up-to-date, and by updating GNOME, you get new features for free. Downstream, Fedora grabs these updates. Downstream of that, someone spams Hacker News with the changelog. It's the cycle of life.

> Red Hat didn't work on the image viewer.

Honestly glad to err here. Kudos to Chris Davis, Sophie Herold and other contributors.

> Why do you keep making comments on things you are uninformed on?

I'm informed well enough on the facts that a) Red Hat is the top contributor to GNOME; b) development of core GNOME features is going too little, too late, while every release is boasting about not-so-important stuff getting done. So I'm being vocal about that, because why not?

> Exactly, distros need to kept up-to-date, and by updating GNOME, you get new features for free. Downstream, Fedora grabs these updates.

If only two thirds of GNOME weren't contributed by full-time Red Hat employees, sure.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by lagniappe »

sillywalk wrote: post #67
Handprint4469 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe one day, everything will just work... I've had the same hope since I started using Linux, back in 2004.

>> Maybe one day, everything will just work... > I've had the same hope since I started using Linux, back in 2004. I've had the same hope since I started using Linux, back in 1994. Driver support is better, and no X11 Modelines, which is nice.

Since '95 here... I'm just happy I don't have to visit a library to get 0.1% as far as I can today with a simple search query. We've got it good now, all things considered. I'm sure others feel differently, but I cannot complain.
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