I really enjoyed SMTM's "A Chemical Hunger" series[1]. But recently they've gone into weird fad-diet territory with their potato obsession. Like, they crow that the potato mono-diet "works," in that the people who successfully followed it lost weight. Well, sure -- all of those 70s fad diets "worked" in that sense! Grapefruit and popcorn? Sure, you can lose weight on that! But their own numbers show that people regai…
> But their own numbers show that people regain the weight after they start eating other foods again: "On average, people gained back most of the weight they lost."[2] Every single diet suffers from that, because you don't need a diet, you need a life style and as the name implies it, it has to be sustained for your whole life
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#62I remember Kevin Smith talking about his first stab at dieting, following the instructions of the "guru" that got Penn Jillette lean: basically, he ate nothing but potatoes for something like 3 months. The point wasn't that potatoes were particularly good for you, but to "reset" one's attitude towards food, eating only when hungry rather than for pleasure or to deal with stress - because after a few weeks, one is so…
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#63We already know you can rapidly lose weight eating nothing but Twinkies. Why bother with this?
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#64So people lost weight and these people have “no idea why?” Well, ok, it’s calories, but why even bother to have any sort of study about this? Of course people who don’t know about calories would think they invented a whole new idea and methodology on scientific research
The interesting questions are why a diet produces a caloric deficit, and how difficult that deficit is to maintain.
The "don't eat anything and drink nothing but water" diet produces a caloric deficit through a very obvious mechanism, but it isn't something people can adhere to long-term.
Semaglutide produces a caloric deficit by turning off the mechanisms that make people want to eat, and appears to be sustainable long-term (assuming you can financially afford it).
With the potato diet, the question isn't exactly "why did they lose weight?" but more "why did participants reduce their calories?" Were they so sick of goddamned potatoes that they couldn't bare to shove another one down their throat? If so, that indicates that the diet is unsustainable. On the other hand, if people were enjoying the diet and reduced their calories because the potatoes left them feeling fuller, longer, that's a mark in the protocol' favor.
Weight loss studies aren't about finding ways to reduce calories, they're about finding ways to reduce calories that people will comply with. And based on how often diets fail, and how often people regain all (or more) of the weight lost once they stop dieting, I would argue that we actually haven't figured out the answer to this yet.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only way to explain the effect of the diet to someone is for them to try it. The effect is not like “I just ate potatoes and they quickly made me feel full.” It’s more like “I am taking a drug that disrupts the GLP-1 cycle in my body and makes me lose interest in eating food at all, even when I haven’t recently eaten many potatoes.” Obviously N=1 and no, I don’t think it’s very healthy to do this for long.
> It’s more like “I am taking a drug that disrupts the GLP-1 cycle in my body and makes me lose interest in eating food at all, even when I haven’t recently eaten many potatoes." Are there any results that say most participants experienced that and to what degree? I spoke to a few people that followed similar diets and they didn't report (obviously anecdotal too) anything about really strange levels of appetite suppr…
PS I’m not sure if we’re even disagreeing here. People who take GLP-1 agonists report that they’re less interested in snacks and get “full” much more quickly when they do eat, which tracks my experience on this diet. The difference is that we have a slightly better understanding of what’s happening chemically there, whereas the potato diet we’re like “maybe potatoes just make you feel really full for some unknown reason, could be placebo, shrug emoji.”
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#66Diets seriously need to be considered through the lens of Occam's razor. First, radical dietary changes cause rapid fluctuations in weight regularly. Not fat, weight. Second, if you eat only one thing or are generally restrictive... You will probably lose a lot of appetite. It's no good going off on some theory about pottasium. Occam's razor suggests that this also works for the been soup diet, fruit diet, etc. It is…
This, probably almost any natural food that is not too sweet will work.
Overeating manufactured "food" devoid of nutrition, pumped full of sugar and refined carbs has become the default in the western diet... That a potato-only diet is an improvement highlights just how bad it has become.
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#67I remember Kevin Smith talking about his first stab at dieting, following the instructions of the "guru" that got Penn Jillette lean: basically, he ate nothing but potatoes for something like 3 months. The point wasn't that potatoes were particularly good for you, but to "reset" one's attitude towards food, eating only when hungry rather than for pleasure or to deal with stress - because after a few weeks, one is so…
I don’t understand how people could feel anything but love for potatoes, they are so perfect. Especially with a little salt and rosemary. And they have the perfect mouth-feel.
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#68I really enjoyed SMTM's "A Chemical Hunger" series[1]. But recently they've gone into weird fad-diet territory with their potato obsession. Like, they crow that the potato mono-diet "works," in that the people who successfully followed it lost weight. Well, sure -- all of those 70s fad diets "worked" in that sense! Grapefruit and popcorn? Sure, you can lose weight on that! But their own numbers show that people regai…
I wanted to enjoy that series because exploring alternate factors in obesity is interesting, but the series similarly went into a weird obsession with lithium as an explanation for everything. He almost immediately started ignoring evidence that didn’t fit his theory and obsessively focused on cherry-picked evidence that was favorable to the story he wanted to tell.
Others have posted links to various debunking articles of the series, but the part that made me lose interest was even earlier: He has a section where he acknowledged that caloric intake was up over the same period of increased body weight, but then tried to dismiss this as irrelevant. I can’t take anyone’s writings on obesity seriously if they don’t believe increased caloric intake is correlated with increased obesity.
The series is written in a rationalist style that appeals to many people, but the content and logic within were not very scientific or even representative of the sources he cited at times. It’s a good example of how the right prose can be very convincing.
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#69I really enjoyed SMTM's "A Chemical Hunger" series[1]. But recently they've gone into weird fad-diet territory with their potato obsession. Like, they crow that the potato mono-diet "works," in that the people who successfully followed it lost weight. Well, sure -- all of those 70s fad diets "worked" in that sense! Grapefruit and popcorn? Sure, you can lose weight on that! But their own numbers show that people regai…
> But their own numbers show that people regain the weight after they start eating other foods again: "On average, people gained back most of the weight they lost."[2] Every single diet suffers from that, because you don't need a diet, you need a life style and as the name implies it, it has to be sustained for your whole life
The difference between a fad diet and a good diet is that a good diet is designed to be sustainable from the start. The goal of a good diet is to reset your eating habits into a healthier set of foods that you can still enjoy and continue eating regularly indefinitely.
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#70My guess is that it probably works, at least to an extent. The reason I used the word "probably" is I didn't stick with it long enough to lose over 10 lbs. This is because it's probably the least pleasant weight loss technique I've tried. No joke, I'd rather eat nothing the whole time. Eating potatoes seems awesome at first, but I began to really hate the taste and texture after just a few days. This is of course my opinion. Some people have had great results on it. It's just not for me. I know the author of this article doesn't agree on this at all, but I beg to differ. Almost every other technique is more comfortable for me. Though I'm sure it'd be fine if I added lots of fat and ketchup. I just wasn't going to do that and risk gaining a bunch of fat.
Off the top of my head, here are all the possible ways that a monodiet of potatoes can result in weight loss:
- Potatoes are a highly-satiating food, one of the highest in satiety
- Potatoes get boring without lots of added fat, salt, and spices.
- Potatoes may contain some "resistant" starch, though I've seen a few people self-experiment with resistant starch and conclude that it's no different than consuming glucose.
- A potato diet mostly engages the metabolism of glucose and not so much with fat (unless you're adding a ton of fat), so the Randle cycle is engaged much less, hypothetically. Though this is supposedly contradicted by people eating potatoes with heavy cream.
- Potatoes only cause a small increase of uric acid in the blood in contrast with other foods, uric acid having a correlation with fat mass. Then again, there are people who eat diets that cause a higher increase in uric acid and remain lean and muscular (carnivore diet is an example).
- Sarcopenia from a lack of dietary protein can cause some net weight loss.
Most other ideas I've seen are pure hypotheses that either aren't that plausible, or are untested, or are mechanisms only demonstrated in vitro.
Some things I'd like to note about this crowd study and what I'm reading in this proposal:
- Allowing participants to choose their own adventure is a poor design. There's definitely value in testing different combinations of adjunct foods along with the potato diet, but this should be controlled based on how many participants sign up. The cohort might otherwise become lopsided towards a certain preparation, adding sour cream, etc. Instead, candidates should be assigned an adjunct and be allowed to accept or reject the challenge.
- The part about "If you can’t get potatoes, eat something else rather than go hungry, and pick up the potatoes again when you can" really reduces the potential value of this experiment. This may add too much noise. It's already bad enough that people are bad at self-reporting, but now you're giving people permission to just do whatever.
- Participants should record their physical activity. This will of course be full of statistical noise, but it might as well be recorded in case it's helpful. Have them record their activity for at least a month prior to the trial and record it during the trial. The reason I think this is a good idea is that, when dieting, people may have a tendency to put themselves into an "I'm getting healthy" mindset which encourages them to also get exercise, which is a confounding factor here.
- Day-by-day body weight data is mostly worthless. I would explicitly encourage participants to not record their weight at all except at the beginning and end of the trial. Daily weight checks can have a psychological effect that may encourage the participant to perform actions that confound the trial, such as walking more or eating less than they otherwise would in order to make sure they get the intended result. This can happen unconsciously.
Otherwise, I think this idea is awesome and that more crowd "riff trials" should be done.
Does anyone know of a site dedicated to riff trials? If there isn't one, it should definitely exist.