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Sounds like a Citroen Ami? https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/citroen/ami
Too slow (45kph) and not enough range (75km), but perfect for the city.
[1] https://www.estrima.com/en/models/biro-big/
[2] https://newatlas.com/urban-transport/estrima-2022-biro-elect...
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In what world a 18k Fiesta is 10K too expensive if a top of the line trail mountain bike (pedal powered, not e-bike) is 11K?
Compare what's comparable... a top of the line watch cost 50k+ so cars are all cheap I guess ? In 1990 you could buy a Golf GTI for 77k french francs, which is 19000 euros today. And that was the best golf money could buy. Today the absolute base model Golf costs 32k euros. The current GTI starts at 48k. Even the polo starts at 19k+, and that's the shittiest vw you can buy. The bottom line is back in the day any work…
>It turns out that a driver of a car 18 or more years old is 71 percent more likely to die in a bad crash than the driver of a car three years old or newer.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/09/study-measu...
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> it was affordable for the right market segment. What is that supposed to mean? Everything at any price point can be affordable for the right market segment.
You missed the part where whenever you under produce you're not going to be able to satisfy demand, making it so that you can have a waiting list :-).
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Or people will stop driving. Or those deadlines will get pushed back.
Given how many locations depend on having car available and public transport offerings are a joke even in Europe, I am more going into the deadlines being pushed back scenario. Not everyone is living in Amsterdam, Berlin, London,... city center.
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You missed the part where whenever you under produce you're not going to be able to satisfy demand, making it so that you can have a waiting list :-).
I mean, the model Y is the 4th best selling model in the world, the model 3 is 7th (in 2022). Yes I'm sure they are under producing, just to have a waiting list... I mean come on, you are arguing in such bad faith its insane. This is 20 year old car company that's producing the 4th best selling car int he world. It's insane. But sure, Elon is a liar and purposefully under produces... sigh.
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Compare what's comparable... a top of the line watch cost 50k+ so cars are all cheap I guess ? In 1990 you could buy a Golf GTI for 77k french francs, which is 19000 euros today. And that was the best golf money could buy. Today the absolute base model Golf costs 32k euros. The current GTI starts at 48k. Even the polo starts at 19k+, and that's the shittiest vw you can buy. The bottom line is back in the day any work…
Nothings stopping you from buying a 90s beater. For the rest of us the safety features are worth it. I’m betting it costs more to manufacture a safe modern car than a 90s one. >It turns out that a driver of a car 18 or more years old is 71 percent more likely to die in a bad crash than the driver of a car three years old or newer. https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/09/study-measu...
A lot actually, it's not legal to drive them in a lot of city centers
71% more than virtually 0 is not really a problem imho. And still, we could have modern cheap cars with modern crash safety for much less than the computers on wheel they're trying to sell us
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This is something that has been on my mind for a long while: are cars super cheap or bikes super expensive? Looking at how much material it takes to make and how complex it is, I would expect a car to cost ~100 more than a bike, but in reality it's more like ~10 more
Regular bikes are super cheap, but if you buy a top of the line, specialised and low quantity bike you're paying a premium of course. Price is never about the material used... an iphone would be $200 if it was the case. Look into economy of scale, how money is made through maintenance/parts/after sale services, &c.
I said complexity and materials. An iPhone is extremely complex but it's only so cheap because electronics scale extremely well, probably only software does better.
Logically there should be more bikes than cars so the economy of scale should be in their favor. Bike maintenance isn't cheap either. Cars need to go through much more certification etc.
The more I think about it the less sense it makes. I think there's crazy competition on cars, but not on bikes.
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It seems to be manufactured in China, not Morocco, but yes, it starts at 20k without counting any possible eco/green bonus schemes.
And it's an absolute piece of shit that does 0-100kph in 20s and tops out a 125kph (and at that speed you're not going much farther than 100km)
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It seems to be manufactured in China, not Morocco, but yes, it starts at 20k without counting any possible eco/green bonus schemes.
And it's an absolute piece of shit that does 0-100kph in 20s and tops out a 125kph (and at that speed you're not going much farther than 100km)
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And it's an absolute piece of shit that does 0-100kph in 20s and tops out a 125kph (and at that speed you're not going much farther than 100km)
I have no clue whether it's a piece of shit or not. But the specs you mention seem fine to me.