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Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by tjpnz »

abecode wrote: post #36

I went to a conference in Nara last year and at one of the receptions I told a Japanese attendee that I was sorry to hear about the assassination. I joked that my name is pronounced Abe like Abe Lincoln, not like Shinzo Abe. He kind of shrugged and said it would be kind of like if it had happened to Trump in the US, in that there were a lot of of people that didn't like him. The article makes it seem like people disc…

The cult connections weren't widely known by the public prior. His assassin opened up a giant can of worms with the Reunification Church still discussed on the nightly news to this day. Last I heard the government is getting ready to ban them like they did Aum Shinrikyo. The whole thing has tarnished Abe's legacy, that and his expensive state funeral which pissed off a good chunk of the public.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by wahnfrieden »

graphe wrote: post #38

The sushi trade is unable to be separated from the moonies. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/11/05/magazine/sush... that will be Moon's legacy I know from personal experience that many Koreans who own sushi restaurants are part of this cult, they knew each other at church all donated a lot and the only reason I know is that my friend dated a girl whose parents were part of it.

How are moonie member owners to their workers?

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by wahnfrieden »

tjpnz wrote: post #61
abecode wrote: post #36

I went to a conference in Nara last year and at one of the receptions I told a Japanese attendee that I was sorry to hear about the assassination. I joked that my name is pronounced Abe like Abe Lincoln, not like Shinzo Abe. He kind of shrugged and said it would be kind of like if it had happened to Trump in the US, in that there were a lot of of people that didn't like him. The article makes it seem like people disc…

The cult connections weren't widely known by the public prior. His assassin opened up a giant can of worms with the Reunification Church still discussed on the nightly news to this day. Last I heard the government is getting ready to ban them like they did Aum Shinrikyo. The whole thing has tarnished Abe's legacy, that and his expensive state funeral which pissed off a good chunk of the public.

It is an ongoing issue and point of discussion/conflict with the public, with lots and lots of message management and incremental “progress”. There is some policy reform and push for more to be done. Doesn’t seem like much power has actually been purged of its accomplices tho kishida public support is very low I wouldn’t be surprised if it recovers whenever he’s replaced within his party

politics is a losing game when the public buys into its machinations and scheming against their interests

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by latchkey »

nijave wrote: post #3
bragr wrote: post #2

https://archive.ph/I3UcQ

Not sure if it's just me but I routinely get stuck in a captcha redirect loop with archive.today (like captcha button, get redirected back to same captcha page)

Same with me for a few weeks now. Turned on my vpn and things worked. So the other suggestion to not use cloudflare dns is probably what is happening under the covers. Archive doesn't like CF at all.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by jasode »

mrob wrote: post #44
nihonthrowaway wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who speaks Japanese to be polite, and will dutifully follow all honorifics while in Japan: Japan doesn't get to change English naming conventions in English speaking cultures and civilizations.

But why do China and Korea get to change English naming conventions? What makes Japan an exception?

>But why do China and Korea get to change English naming conventions?

Americans are exposed to Chinese names in both orderings of "Familyname Firstname" and "Firstname Familyname":

- "Familyname Firstname" ordering : actor Chow Yun-fat, and basketball player Yao Ming

- "Firstname Familyname" ordering: actor Simu Liu, pianist Yuja Wang, and Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by User23 »

graphe wrote: post #60
lern_too_spel wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's true, "maybe" we should have let Hitler live. In real-life, losing a horse or breaking a leg is a bad outcome over 99% of the time, and gaining free horses and avoiding conscription (and defeating despots attempting to conquer the world) is a good outcome over 99% of the time.

Hitler could have united Europe. Had he won and taken over Russia and Europe it could have been much better. Had Genghis Khan not attacked so many places, legends of centuars may not exist and the world could be better. We don't know.

I find this line of argument to be a compelling refutation of any kind of consequentialist ethics from a human perspective. No human being ever has had or ever will have the ability to predict out the full consequences of an action throughout all time.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by pjc50 »

capableweb wrote: post #35
philistine wrote: post #8

It’s crazy how the assassination and the public acceptance of the assassin’s goals sound like something out of Persona 5.

Why is that so crazy? Happens all the time that people get assassinated and the public sides with the assassin. If the US was successful with any of their plots to assassinate Castro I'm sure the US public would mostly side with their government about it, as a relatively famous example. Another more contemporary example would be the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (prime minister of Israel) in 95, which had a lot of l…

> the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (prime minister of Israel) in 95, which had a lot of local public support.

Kept the war going until the present day, too.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by graphe »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #62
graphe wrote: post #38

The sushi trade is unable to be separated from the moonies. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/11/05/magazine/sush... that will be Moon's legacy I know from personal experience that many Koreans who own sushi restaurants are part of this cult, they knew each other at church all donated a lot and the only reason I know is that my friend dated a girl whose parents were part of it.

How are moonie member owners to their workers?

I think the ones I saw recently were all members of the cult. They're overly religious and their family and children are often working there, children hate it and the cult. They try to keep costs low, donations from their work high, and it seems to function efficiently with a religious fevor. I've never seen much excess use of money from sushi restaurants. Haven't been to a chick fil a in a while but maybe like that culture but less friendly, all family and they're thinking of more efficient ways to donate. Many sell merchandise and try to sell lots of high profit goods. I'm sorry if this isn't a good answer.

Edit: I forgot about a sandwich shop (the yellow deli) I've heard that is always open that is a cult. I never been but it sounds a lot closer to this cult except they seen to recruit more and focus on cute receptionists girls working at the counters.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by wahnfrieden »

graphe wrote: post #68
wahnfrieden wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are moonie member owners to their workers?

I think the ones I saw recently were all members of the cult. They're overly religious and their family and children are often working there, children hate it and the cult. They try to keep costs low, donations from their work high, and it seems to function efficiently with a religious fevor. I've never seen much excess use of money from sushi restaurants. Haven't been to a chick fil a in a while but maybe like that…

North Koreans in Japan sometimes have businesses that operate to send money back home. Seems like a lot of coercion involved in both cases
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