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Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by chowells »

monlockandkey wrote: post #55
RajT88 wrote: post #34

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Not really. Most abortions are women who already have children. Once upon a time, this meant that most abortions were carried out by married women (marriage itself is less common now). The connection between marriage and abortion isn't what you think it is.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/656516/abortion-distribu... 77% of abortions done by people who are not married and 46% done by women who are not married and not even cohabiting. Abortion is a symptom of a problem which is the lack of marriage and the highly promiscuous lifestyle that is sold to us. Married people when there is a child on the way (planned or unplanned), there is little to no reason to get an abor…

Abortion is a symptom of preventing conception being too much hassle. Nothing more, nothing less.

And you realize that people of every age group are having less sex than any time in the last 30 years, right? It's almost like this "promiscuous lifestyle" you're so terrified of doesn't exist.

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by fzeroracer »

HideousKojima wrote: post #60
John23832 wrote: post #50

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It has not. Not providing a society the cultivates the families that create and cultivate children has. Providing a system that helps parents raise children rather than be wage slaves makes people want to have kids.

>Providing a system that helps parents raise children rather than be wage slaves makes people want to have kids. Cool, I take it you'll join my anti-immigration and anti-women-in-the-workforce rally then? It's my simple solution to raise wages so that families are affordable on a single income.

You have a very literal example in Japan and last I checked I don't think they were doing very well either.

I don't think your simple solution is quite so simple.

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by a_cardboard_box »

sargun wrote: post #37

One thing I'm confused about is why HIV at-home tests are not more available. There's Oraquick ( https://oraquick.com/ ), which in bulk is $15/test, whereas its about $40 retail. On the other hand, we've gotten COVID tests down to something like $5 retail. On top of that, it's relatively easy to get free COVID tests. Imagine if you could test for this right before you "got down." I imagine that'd change the game. Alt…

> Imagine if you could test for this right before you "got down." I imagine that'd change the game.

Unfortunately, HIV tests can't detect early infection, which is when it's most transmissible. The Oraquick FAQ says their test is accurate 3 months after exposure. So there isn't much benefit to testing right before sex vs every few months.

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by AmericanChopper »

striking wrote: post #36
Throw83858 wrote: post #15

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If not for your benefit, then for everyone else's; here are the DOJ's recommendations for modernization[1], from a sub-link of the above: > Generally, the best practice would be for states to reform these laws to eliminate HIV- specific criminal penalties except in two distinct circumstances. First, states may wish to retain criminal liability when a person who knows he/she is HIV positive commits a (non-HIV specific…

I think the parent may have been referring to actual laws that exist today, rather than DOJ recommendations. Like in California where it is perfectly legal for an HIV positive person to have unprotected sex with somebody else, without disclosing it, so long as it wasn’t specifically their intention to infect the other person. If it was specifically their intention to infect the other person (good luck proving that btw), then it’s a misdemeanour.

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/laws/do-i-have-to-tell-a-s...

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by kbos87 »

stemlord wrote: post #54
dudul wrote: post #49

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Not lately no, been married 12 years. But I don't remember ever hearing about debates as heated as masks around condoms. Yeah there are fringe groups advocating for no birth control and all, but what's really their market share? Doesn't sound similar to the big divide we had a few years ago over masks.

I am a millennial but my understanding is that many gay men scoffed at condom use pre-AIDS, in the 70s, the same way many today scoff at mask use. This is the way it's generally been described by older gay men I know and documentaries and movies. Not to necessarily equate the health risk between the two scenarios, just equating the public sentiment during the beginning stages of a major public health crisis. It is wh…

There has definitely been a lasting effect in that gay men who have resources tend to be very well educated and proactive about their health. Everyone is on PreP. As a result of that, condom use has definitely become the exception and not the rule again over the past five or so years.

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by TheBigSalad »

jksflkjl3jk3 wrote: post #46
dudul wrote: post #39

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I dont understand the last paragraph. Condoms have been widely used for decades, is there a debate similar to masks?

Have you had much casual sex lately? Anecdotally, condom use is down significantly over the last couple decades now that HIV is no longer a death sentence.

I'm single, but ugly. I didn't realize condom use was down.

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by stemlord »

kbos87 wrote: post #65
stemlord wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a millennial but my understanding is that many gay men scoffed at condom use pre-AIDS, in the 70s, the same way many today scoff at mask use. This is the way it's generally been described by older gay men I know and documentaries and movies. Not to necessarily equate the health risk between the two scenarios, just equating the public sentiment during the beginning stages of a major public health crisis. It is wh…

There has definitely been a lasting effect in that gay men who have resources tend to be very well educated and proactive about their health. Everyone is on PreP. As a result of that, condom use has definitely become the exception and not the rule again over the past five or so years.

Yeah for sure, I'm not denying that condom use is now dropping. But it requires that the daily pill gets taken or do whatever else it is that needs to be done that constitutes safe sex today.

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by maxerickson »

goodluckchuck wrote: post #27
mnau wrote: post #16

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When a cure for hepatitis c was discovered (solvating iirc), everyone started screaming give it away for free instead of paying the price (~$100k). That price was half the cost of existing treatment and very high chance of success. If capitalism actually worked, they would sell their cheaper and better pill. No shocker there, it didn’t happen (generics in India and so in). If I was CEO of a drug company, I would cert…

Im sorry, but I don’t understand what you’re saying. There’s no identifiable subjects. Who screamed to give it away when who invented it? Who wanted to pay / set a $100k price? Who made the existing treatment? If capitalism worked who would sell the new pill for less? If it’s better, couldn’t you charge more?

The existing standard of care was a liver transplant. The price that the manufacturers set for the drug was based on what they thought various insurers would be willing to pay for it.

People definitely caterwauled about a $100,000 drug regimen, nevermind that it is often a cure and a lot better than an organ transplant.

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by faeriechangling »

huytersd wrote: post #2

I’m going to be very mad if there is a resurgence in HIV because of the asinine GOP. If people have to be worried again about their next sexual contact (condoms only offer between 70-90% protection against HIV), we will return to a prudish lifestyle again at a time the west can least afford it with falling birth rates.

PrEP exists and is 99% effective. I've absolutely heard of people who use PrEP and have sex with people with HIV/AIDS bareback.

Not sure if I'd recommend doing that, but people will find a way to screw if they can.

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by huytersd »

faeriechangling wrote: post #69
huytersd wrote: post #2

I’m going to be very mad if there is a resurgence in HIV because of the asinine GOP. If people have to be worried again about their next sexual contact (condoms only offer between 70-90% protection against HIV), we will return to a prudish lifestyle again at a time the west can least afford it with falling birth rates.

PrEP exists and is 99% effective. I've absolutely heard of people who use PrEP and have sex with people with HIV/AIDS bareback. Not sure if I'd recommend doing that, but people will find a way to screw if they can.

PrEP takes preplanning and atleast several hours before someone can have sex even if they have the pills on them. That’s not really going to work for casual hookups.
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