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Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by vivekd »

PostOnce wrote: post #8
Daz1 wrote: post #6

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Nobody is opposed to relevant ads on TV (I mean, not any more than they're opposed to ads in general). it's the means by which they make them relevant. No one would be cool if Facebook sent agents to your home each night to rifle through your drawers to learn about you and "tailor ads to you and make them more relevant". That's the problem, the data-collecting and spying.

I donno, I know I'm in the minority but I agree with the parent. Facebook isn't going to people's homes and rifling through drawers. They're using information people willigly share in their profiles.

They're not selling personally identifiable information. They're selling generalized group info on categories people fall into for targeted ads.

I don't understand how this is a privacy violation or unethical. Especially given Facebook isn't hiding what it's doing, they're open about what they're doing. I assume the customers are informed and are consenting to this in exchange for free use of Facebook's services.

I think it was wrong for Ubuntu to sell user data to Amazon because their users weren't informed. Some people choose Linux for privacy reasons and that trust was violated.

No one who values privacy would willingly use Facebook. Facebook doesn't hide what it does, it's a consensual sharing of information. They even have a big button on their site inviting their users to try targeted ads. Everything they do is in the open.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by dottjt »

changoplatanero wrote: post #59
dottjt wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there even people who like ads, period?

of course there are. Instagram made a special feature so that people who wanted to just browse ads could do that. It was very very popular with a certain group of people.

hmmmm when you think about, everything is an ad. Put more simply, everything is "content" and all content has an agenda.

I guess an ad is just a particular type of content with a particular type of agenda.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by makeitdouble »

throwaway447 wrote: post #5
exabrial wrote: post #3

If i travel to the eu as an American does that mean it’s illegal to track me while present in their territory? Would I be able to sue them and which country would be most favorable for the largest payout if so? I’m happy to write their support team an email letting them know my intentions to travel (lol).

I am not a lawyer. "If i travel to the eu as an American does that mean it’s illegal to track me while present in their territory?" Yes. "Would I be able to sue them" You can sue any time but only makes sense if meta does something illegal. "and which country would be most favorable for the largest payout if so?" If Meta breaks the EU law you would likely have to sue in the country were you were present. Could also b…

> Could also be that you have to sue Meta in an EU country were they have an office. (Ireland? Luxembourg? Dunno).

One could probably sue them in the country the behavior was documented.

The equivalent case would be if A assaulted B in Norway and flee to Chicago. B could report the crime and sue in the UK, get a legal ruling, and the Norway legal branch would then deal with the US branch to bring something out of the situation (compensation, equivalent punishment in the US, extradition etc.)

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by 2c2c2c »

javier2 wrote: post #27
Daz1 wrote: post #6

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Its not the ads thaaat much. Its the absolutely obscene lenghts these companies have gone to to track every single detail you do over the entire web and connected it all, then they even sell this to third parties. I would be more open if the tracking was sandboxed to the current website and not used to create other businesses as well.

> then they even sell this to third parties

do they? isn't this the secret sauce?

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by fsckboy »

Daz1 wrote: post #6

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> Why are people so vehemently oppose to being shown ads that are actually relevant to them on ad-supported platforms?

speaking only for myself, two reasons:

1. they don't show me relevant ads. I would honestly fill out surveys for them to show me relevant ads, but they still won't, just like Netflix and Amazon won't restrain themselves from showing me the same screens full of movies and TV that I will never watch. If they find out that I don't want to drink sugarwater, I swear they will only show me ads for Pepsi, Sprite, etc.

2. They're addicted to hot javascript and flashing lights. If they'd just give me a short text blurb that says "this podcast that you love is brought to you by X ice cream brand", I'd buy that ice cream as thanks. But when they take over my screen and kill my right click menu, no.

In a related way, some vlogger/podcasters that I listen to who touch on controversial subjects have this elaborate "we only advertise products that we ourselves use" speech they give, and I'm thinking, hey, what about an advertiser that would say, "we support free speech on both sides of this issue". I'd buy their product in a second.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by reaperman »

Daz1 wrote: post #6

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Content-based ads generally seem relevant to me. If I'm browsing small tech blogs, independent sex toy review sites, or mad scientist forums, I tend to get good static advertisements which aren't targeted to me, but rather are just the ads that everyone who visits that site see. Those always seem to be relevant.

The modern personally targeted ads are fucking terrible, excuse my language. They have a relevancy rate of already bought. The amount of fucking data collection that goes into something that boils down to "advertise me things I've already bought or did a google search for in the past 2 weeks" is insane. You could get rid of 99.9% of the data collection and still serve the exact same ads based only on my Google searches.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by ajkjk »

Daz1 wrote: post #6

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Because living in the era of being psychologically manipulated from every direction for every second of our lives fucking sucks.

Because they should show fewer ads that don't fuck with our heads and make less money in the process, and regulation hasn't caught up yet, and in the meantime they have an approximate monopoly so we have to deal with it.

Because they stay in power not by doing the best job or providing the best service, not even a good one really, but by manipulating markets, governments, and people in their favor, and by destroying competition, which means they've earned no respect and deserve nothing.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by twelve40 »

dottjt wrote: post #62
changoplatanero wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

of course there are. Instagram made a special feature so that people who wanted to just browse ads could do that. It was very very popular with a certain group of people.

hmmmm when you think about, everything is an ad. Put more simply, everything is "content" and all content has an agenda. I guess an ad is just a particular type of content with a particular type of agenda.

no it's not. FB ads are force-fed content that nobody asked for. I'll take a ad-free subscription service over that any day so I can keep my freedom to spend my attention on things I actually want, not someone else's random garbage. Unfortunately, this arm-twisting ad-supported model is the only one available in the US on all socials, so I had to suffer through it because there is no choice, but now I'm pretty much out, I have no patience for this "ads" garbage anymore in my life.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by photonbeam »

vivekd wrote: post #61
PostOnce wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is opposed to relevant ads on TV (I mean, not any more than they're opposed to ads in general). it's the means by which they make them relevant. No one would be cool if Facebook sent agents to your home each night to rifle through your drawers to learn about you and "tailor ads to you and make them more relevant". That's the problem, the data-collecting and spying.

I donno, I know I'm in the minority but I agree with the parent. Facebook isn't going to people's homes and rifling through drawers. They're using information people willigly share in their profiles. They're not selling personally identifiable information. They're selling generalized group info on categories people fall into for targeted ads. I don't understand how this is a privacy violation or unethical. Especially…

> Facebook isn't going to people's homes and rifling through drawers

When they start correlating with external payments sources they are

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