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Apple’s keynote event shot on iPhone and edited on Mac

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Re: Apple’s keynote event shot on iPhone and edited on Mac

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Post by MarkusWandel »

Genuine question, since I'm not part of the Apple ecosystem and my smartphones tend to be from the low end of the range.

Even my humble one takes great pictures and video, but the touch-screen UI is really limiting. Whereas professional movie camera work has smooth pan/zoom work that, at least until now, was done with appropriate controls. Do professionals using a slab phone have external pan/tilt/zoom/focus rigs that they can plug in as an accessory, or do they have to do all that via the touchscreen UI?

Re: Apple’s keynote event shot on iPhone and edited on Mac

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Post by doteka »

skhr0680 wrote: post #56
guptaneil wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is showing that an iPhone Pro can be used by _professionals_ to replace their existing camera. It’s not trying to replace an entire studio (yet). That would be like expecting a new centrifuge machine to replace an entire lab of equipment. Nobody expects an average user to compete with professionals, even if they were given a $20k RED camera.

> Apple is showing that an iPhone Pro can be used by _professionals_ to replace their existing camera It still looks strictly worse than an equivalently priced $1000 camera+lens when directed, lit, operated, and edited by professionals.

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Re: Apple’s keynote event shot on iPhone and edited on Mac

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Post by altairprime »

geodel wrote: post #35
joshmanders wrote: post #2

I love their commitment to walking the walk with the camera on the iPhone, but as this footage shows, while YES it is "shot on an iPhone 15 Pro Max" it also uses thousands of dollars worth of equipment that makes it hard for the average user to replicate similar quality.

So if some rando is given millions dollar worth equipment they can shoot movie like James Cameron?

Blue light gels are cheap, no need for millions of dollars.

Re: Apple’s keynote event shot on iPhone and edited on Mac

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Post by kuschku »

I'd love to see what they did to work around the framerate issues. iPhones record in variable framerate (they just encode one frame, once that's fully encoded read the next frame and repeat). This leads to fps varying by up to ±10%, which causes a lot of issues with most editing software.

Re: Apple’s keynote event shot on iPhone and edited on Mac

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Post by threeseed »

skhr0680 wrote: post #56
guptaneil wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is showing that an iPhone Pro can be used by _professionals_ to replace their existing camera. It’s not trying to replace an entire studio (yet). That would be like expecting a new centrifuge machine to replace an entire lab of equipment. Nobody expects an average user to compete with professionals, even if they were given a $20k RED camera.

> Apple is showing that an iPhone Pro can be used by _professionals_ to replace their existing camera It still looks strictly worse than an equivalently priced $1000 camera+lens when directed, lit, operated, and edited by professionals.

Be curious what the new $1000 camera is that has a 13-120mm lens, 48MP and is capable of shooting ProRes Log.

Re: Apple’s keynote event shot on iPhone and edited on Mac

#66

Post by mnemoni_c »

kuschku wrote: post #64

I'd love to see what they did to work around the framerate issues. iPhones record in variable framerate (they just encode one frame, once that's fully encoded read the next frame and repeat). This leads to fps varying by up to ±10%, which causes a lot of issues with most editing software.

That's why they used third party app to control ISO and shutter speed I presume

Re: Apple’s keynote event shot on iPhone and edited on Mac

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Post by tambourine_man »

awesomeMilou wrote: post #32
nerdjon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I think the important question is though, if you had spent thousands on dollars on a camera would those lights still be required? If the answer is yes, then the feat is still an important one. I know that some lights would still be required, but I honesty don't know the answer if they needed additional lights to compensate or if they could have gotten away with less.

> If the answer is yes, then the feat is still an important one. I can recommend watching the Better Call Saul DVD documentary, they regularly have the lead lighting guy answering questions in there. The tl;dr was to me that yes, you definetely need additional lighting, even if your camera has a massive, light sensitive sensor. I don't think anyone expects an iPhone to compete with a top of the line Arri 65 or other…

I think you could shoot Barry Lyndon’s candle light scenes on iPhone just fine. The lens was custom made ƒ/0.7 because the film was shot at ISO 100, IIRC.

People forget how much more sensitive silicon is to light than film.

Edit: got currious, it was ISO 100 pushed 1 stop during development[1]. So, since an iPhone's ƒ/1.78 main lens is ≈2.5 stops slower than ƒ0.7, using ISO ≈1200 should give you the same exposure (if shot at 24fps). Certainly doable.

[1] https://neiloseman.com/barry-lyndon-the-full-story-of-the-fa...

Re: Apple’s keynote event shot on iPhone and edited on Mac

#68

Post by asimpletune »

joshmanders wrote: post #2

I love their commitment to walking the walk with the camera on the iPhone, but as this footage shows, while YES it is "shot on an iPhone 15 Pro Max" it also uses thousands of dollars worth of equipment that makes it hard for the average user to replicate similar quality.

All that equipment would be necessary for an ARRI as well.

Re: Apple’s keynote event shot on iPhone and edited on Mac

#69

Post by lbourdages »

MarkusWandel wrote: post #61

Genuine question, since I'm not part of the Apple ecosystem and my smartphones tend to be from the low end of the range. Even my humble one takes great pictures and video, but the touch-screen UI is really limiting. Whereas professional movie camera work has smooth pan/zoom work that, at least until now, was done with appropriate controls. Do professionals using a slab phone have external pan/tilt/zoom/focus rigs tha…

If you watch the video, you can see that they have a big rig with like a gimbal and external controllers and screens. So it's not "just an iPhone" but it's also not a $50k+ pro camera body.
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