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I never understood the longterm logic of protecting jobs by not using tools. Any tools goal is to reduce work.
The whole point of robot taxis is to eliminate the job “driver” “Driver” happens to be the most popular job in the United States What exactly is hard to understand here?
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...which works out to roughly 3-7 million people. Unless you want to pay them UBI, you're going to have to help them find and transition to other categories of jobs.
I used to drive a taxi. Now I write code. I paid for my own training. I'd expect to find that self-help is the most usual way to transition into other jobs.
It might be possible for some minority that has a particular penchant for this type of work, but neither the jobs nor the training exist at such scale that would be able to absorb the entirety of the driver workforce into the “write software for automated driving“ job.
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I never understood the longterm logic of protecting jobs by not using tools. Any tools goal is to reduce work.
> I never understood the longterm logic of protecting jobs by not using tools. Ever read thelastpsychiatrist? The website is dead now (and he may be too, for all I know), but he was on the money when talking about why a specific amount is paid by the state to the unemployed - it's the exact amount of money that would stop the idle masses from burning down the city. You don't understand it now , but you will if we had…
That seems awfully pessimistic. There's a couple different reasons
- To stop the masses from uprising (as noted)
- Because the health of the society as a whole depends on the health of the people in the society. And sometimes you need safety nets for the people in that society, because people can't always do for themselves. Fire departments, unemployment, health care, education; these all fall into that category in one way or another. Some places provide all of these, some provide none, and most provide somewhere in the middle. In the end, we provide for those that can't because it's better for the society that we live in if we do. And we are all served by a better healthier society.
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Honestly, there are so many places where art absolutely is terrible. If AI generation can make higher quality art more accessible to more areas then it is a huge win.
Our little Dungeons and Dragons campaign has absolutely exploded in quality and storytelling because our DM has been utilizing Midjourney for character tokens for the bad guys. I spent an hour or two on each person in the game’s character portrait with astounding results. It has been like night and day. There is a 0% chance I’d pay the price this would have been a couple years ago. I can’t even fathom how much this q…
I don't think, in all my years of role playing, I've _ever_ seen an image of one of the NPCs in our stories; at least outside of the rare store-bought adventures. Or, at least that I can recall, an image of _anything_ in our campaigns. Everything was verbally described.
I wasn't even aware people generated pictures for home-grown adventures/campaigns.
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The whole point of robot taxis is to eliminate the job “driver” “Driver” happens to be the most popular job in the United States What exactly is hard to understand here?
The part that's hard to understand is why we'd keep a job that kills people when it's no longer necessary.
It’s not an actual argument because it doesn’t have specific measurable distinctions between deaths related to driverless vehicles versus driver vehicles
We don’t have these types of measurable capabilities because we don’t actually have the data that shows what is the fatality rate per million miles at the scale of integration that an entire fleet they have supplanted the taxi industry would do.
You’re better off actually evaluating what is the death rate of taxis compared to individual drivers because the individual drivers are not going to be replaced at the same rate as taxi drivers and so the taxi drivers is the first more important number to evaluate with respect to traffic fatalities
Unless you’ve done that specific math, and walk the dog out, including the Wayno reports, some of the cruise reports, and some of the reports from Tesla (which killed a guy if you recall) then you might have an argument
As it stands, all I see with driverless cars is we’re trying to replace humans in an entire labor category, and we have nothing for those people to do
I suspect that is actually a much bigger problem than the theoretical reduction in fatalities on roads
I know this sounds terrible, so please understand I don't agree with this approach, but. I've had the thought that third world countries will end up being the testing ground for autonomous vehicles. Peoples' safety isn't taken as seriously in developing countries, and the local authorities are easier to bribe. The cost for actually functioning autonomous vehicles will be some mistakes. It's up to society to decide wh…
I'm not sure this holds up to scrutiny. So far we have numerous companies testing autonomous vehicles in the states and personally I don't know any that test in developing countries.
You're correct when you say
>we have numerous companies testing autonomous vehicles in the states
The article we are responding is is about increasing political pressure against that practice.
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I’m not saying that’s not true. But the push to have them also doesn’t feel wholly organic. Robotaxis feel like one of those new technologies that we’re gonna have whether we like it or not, because enough very rich people want us to have them. And I’m not saying we can or should try to delay the inevitable either. But the people who are pushing these timelines are basically the same people who just finished up spend…
> But the people who are pushing these timelines are basically the same people who just finished up spending tens (hundreds?) of billions of dollars making the food delivery industry worse, more expensive, and probably less profitable overall. I've stopped ordering delivered food all together. I just go pick it up now. Everything about it has gotten worse - More expensive - Delivery people don't work for the restaura…
I fell like this might be a generation gap but I much prefer it this way, they're contract workers that are paid like shit and also not paid by you. They don't get paid for getting your order right, or service with a smile or whatever nonsense, they get paid to deliver a package from a -> b. You don't get mad at the taxi for taking you to the wrong place, you blame the driver, and in this case the driver is DoorDash/UberEats/Postmates.
I had an older Papa John's delivery driver once tell me "Thank you for ordering Papa John's" and meant it and after being taken aback was like dude the amount of loyalty you have for a company that wouldn't hesitate to throw you in a dumpster for a fiver is too damn high.
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I used to drive a taxi. Now I write code. I paid for my own training. I'd expect to find that self-help is the most usual way to transition into other jobs.
The reality is, this is just not a functional pathway for the majority of people. So it’s not a solution It might be possible for some minority that has a particular penchant for this type of work, but neither the jobs nor the training exist at such scale that would be able to absorb the entirety of the driver workforce into the “write software for automated driving“ job.
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...which works out to roughly 3-7 million people. Unless you want to pay them UBI, you're going to have to help them find and transition to other categories of jobs.
I used to drive a taxi. Now I write code. I paid for my own training. I'd expect to find that self-help is the most usual way to transition into other jobs.
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Our little Dungeons and Dragons campaign has absolutely exploded in quality and storytelling because our DM has been utilizing Midjourney for character tokens for the bad guys. I spent an hour or two on each person in the game’s character portrait with astounding results. It has been like night and day. There is a 0% chance I’d pay the price this would have been a couple years ago. I can’t even fathom how much this q…
> our DM has been utilizing Midjourney for character tokens for the bad guys I don't think, in all my years of role playing, I've _ever_ seen an image of one of the NPCs in our stories; at least outside of the rare store-bought adventures. Or, at least that I can recall, an image of _anything_ in our campaigns. Everything was verbally described. I wasn't even aware people generated pictures for home-grown adventures/…
Art is nice. Customized art is nicer. Also, it's interesting that (as you note) it's far from universal. My group would likely have enjoyed using AI art for our campaigns, but my girlfriend's groups have completely rejected it.