Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending • Hacker News Board

Re: Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending

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Post by jncfhnb » Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 5:53 AM UTC

timschmidt wrote: post #57

jncfhnb wrote: post #47

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But it’s NOT the same problem! Producing an item in 1/9 the time is very different from producing them at 9x the rate. scaling production is generally not expected to do the former, only the latter. This analogy is only suitable for one off goods and projects. Not economic production capacity.

Scaling manufacturing of physical goods is never just one problem. Matryoshka dolls, remember? Let me know when you perfect that 1 month gestation period, I think there's a market for it.

And why are these goods differentiated by the time it took to produce them behind the scenes?

Re: Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending

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Post by busterarm » Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 2:52 PM UTC

linuxftw wrote: post #56

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Can you even find Ford trucks for $60k anymore? Ford just raised prices _again_ on top of their dealers already adding insane markups without the brand curtailing that behavior. Plus everything they deliver to dealers seems to be optioned out the ass to the point where everything is $80-120k. My truck-shopping friends (that being most people here in the southeast) are all swearing off Ford and buying used from other…

I maybe would buy a new Ford F250 with the 7.3l. Otherwise I'd get a Chevy 2500 if I was in the market for a truck. The F150/1500s just aren't reliable anymore, and they cost as much as a 250/2500.

Those Godzillas are incredibly hard to come by unless you've got a commercial fleet or serious bucks to spend over MSRP. I looked around a couple of times in the last few years nationwide and was having an absurd amount of difficulty. A few leads in the PNW but that's the opposite diagonal of the country from me.

Maybe buying used from someone's fleet. But then you're buying a used fleet vehicle...it was better for someone to sell it than repair and keep it in the fleet...

If you have a good relationship with a dealer they can order it for you, but they're just as likely to sell it to somebody else on receipt for more money than you were.

Honestly though I kind of prefer vans and I think discontinuing the E250 like they did after 2014 was an enormous mistake.

Re: Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending

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Post by georgeplusplus » Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 3:41 PM UTC

Welmoto wrote: post #33

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Europe and California are already moving full steam ahead without a plan. Anything for that sweet chinese money. EVs benefit china. Period. Gavin Newsom met with Xi recently. Probably to collect his paycheck for enacting the law to phase out ICEs by 2030. Why cant democrat supporters connect the dots.

Germany is pushing for ev too and Germany main industry is cars. We have bmw, VW, Mercedes etc here. A lot of people I personally know work for bmw. Your conspiracy doesn't make sense. No German politican would ever ty to hurt the German automotive sector. And we don't have that many it people we have a ton of German engineers

All economic signs in the USA are pointing towards depression. I live abroad and where i live wven they can see how weak we are but my American democrat friends back home somehow dont see it.

They think the way the world still sees us is and favorable and we project a strong image abroad. The world sees what's happening with the uncontained migration, crime surges in the city, and with the inflation and they see weakness.

How you can be living in this and not see it is beyond my rational.

Perhaps its the same dunning Kruger effect is making you not be able to see that your politicians have sold you out your car industry to foreign entities that include an alliance of Russia China and Iran.

Your auto industry cannot compete. I have lived in China they are so far ahead of the EV market its a joke what's more, they own a monopoly on lithium production who do you think we will come begging to with an ev transition. It's sad. I hope you can start to question the madness these dirty politicians sold us out for.

Re: Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending

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Post by georgeplusplus » Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 3:45 PM UTC

otteromkram wrote: post #20

georgeplusplus wrote: post #14

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Europe and California are already moving full steam ahead without a plan. Anything for that sweet chinese money. EVs benefit china. Period. Gavin Newsom met with Xi recently. Probably to collect his paycheck for enacting the law to phase out ICEs by 2030. Why cant democrat supporters connect the dots.

> Why cant democrat supporters connect the dots. Because there's no dots to connect. Related: Dems probably know what a question mark is and where it should be used.

You don't see the mass migration of over 10 million people as troublesome?

You don't see the surging crime in cities as a problem?

You don't see inflation as a problem?

Do you live under a bridge?

How about these for questions.

Democrats have their heads in the sand on these issues. We are a bleeding lamb, it's no coincidence Russia and Iran made military moves because we are

W E A K.

Maybe it is a coincidence to you. Democrats seem more concerned with letting trans men compete un women sports than any of them above.