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Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by justin66 »

timthorn wrote: post #33
justin66 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there some missing context here, like "...and they only have ten dollars to spend on hobbies during the entirety of 2023 due to the famine wracking their homeland?" I mean, when you're talking about things (items in your "finite hobby budget") that cost less than a hundred dollars, why are you going to fuss about the "price point?" I am intrigued by how much this appears to matter to people who comment on Raspberr…

If you're a child not earning your own money, price point matters enormously. I remember rarely ordering electronic components from Maplin because of the P&P charge which was massive compared to my pocket money. Though I did get a buzz from my first CASHTEL order: https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Mapelin/Maplin%20Electronic...

So my missing context as to why people obsess over price differences on the order of $20 when talking about single-board computers in Raspberry Pi-related comment threads is... they're thinking of the children?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by duffyjp »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #48
esskay wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used Pi's dating back to the first one (even had one from the first batch manually packaged up by Eben and co). They're good, but arent without their issues. Power management has been a consistent problem with every single Pi. That combined with the Raspberry Pi Trading Co's behaviour over the last couple of years made me move to alternatives. Once an 8GB pi cost more than an i3 or i5 mini pc that is capable of…

> Once an 8GB pi cost more than an i3 or i5 mini pc But the Pi probably costs less once you factor in energy costs, no?

I tried measuring the wattage of my Pi Zero W when I got it but my Kill-A-Watt just registered 0 even when running stress -c 1. ;)

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by benterix »

I'm sorry but it got too expensive and hence lost its main advantage. These days I use second-hand desktop mini-pcs that cost minimally more than the full Rpi set (charger, CD card, case, SBC) but are much more powerful. For anything involving WiFi/IoT, I use ESP32 - far less expensive and very easy to use. And for cases where WiFi is not needed, we have tons of interesting solutions and few reasons to use the Pi.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by justin66 »

radiojosh wrote: post #60
justin66 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there some missing context here, like "...and they only have ten dollars to spend on hobbies during the entirety of 2023 due to the famine wracking their homeland?" I mean, when you're talking about things (items in your "finite hobby budget") that cost less than a hundred dollars, why are you going to fuss about the "price point?" I am intrigued by how much this appears to matter to people who comment on Raspberr…

Some people really don't have a lot of disposable income. Are you saying we should just stop thinking about making products accessible to those people? You seem to think that these rich "hobbyists" make up the entire population, but I'd bet there were at least ten families in the US who couldn't afford a computer for every "hobbyist" that bought one. What a bunch of elitist gate-keeping nonsense. These low-cost SBCs…

> while the dirty street urchins scramble behind us, hoping for a fallen scrap, a loose semiconductor or relay they can take home to their families so they might afford little Timmy's leg surgery...

While you've misunderstood my comment so badly I am worried you might have suffered a recent head injury, and I'm not getting any closer to understanding the quirkiness of people who comment on Raspberry Pi related threads which is what I was really shooting for, believe me: I respect the effort here.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #48
esskay wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used Pi's dating back to the first one (even had one from the first batch manually packaged up by Eben and co). They're good, but arent without their issues. Power management has been a consistent problem with every single Pi. That combined with the Raspberry Pi Trading Co's behaviour over the last couple of years made me move to alternatives. Once an 8GB pi cost more than an i3 or i5 mini pc that is capable of…

> Once an 8GB pi cost more than an i3 or i5 mini pc But the Pi probably costs less once you factor in energy costs, no?

Depends on workload and the machine; some x86 machines are sufficiently low power that pis lose their advantage.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by dboreham »

dividedbyzero wrote: post #16
dtx1 wrote: post #7

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You have 3 choices: 1. Raspberry Pi 2. X86 System 3. Barely functioning SOCs with no mainline support and major software issues until eternity.

There are so many subtly different smallish x86 systems though that finding one that's cheap, power-efficient, fast, extensible, reasonably quiet and well supported on Linux is pretty difficult. At least to me.

I have a bunch of these systems from the past few years related to my work building self-hosted decentralized systems. Most recent is this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BVLS7ZHP and so far it's working well. I'm running Ubuntu 22 and I have the stock internal SSD plus an externally attached 2T M.2 NVMe drive (via USB3.2 and this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08RVC6F9Y).

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

Qwertious wrote: post #57
eropple wrote: post #43

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It really doesn't. Cheap phones have browsed the web just fine for a long time, now. Raspberry Pi makes some weird hardware choices and have been suffering from it for a while. The insistence on SD cards (other manufacturers support eMMC or m.2 or both, and while RPi5 does now this has been the case elsewhere for A While) is the biggest problem with overall perf, including browsers. I would expect the boards with the…

How is MicroSD weird? A microSD card 1) is available at Officeworks etc, and 2) doesn't require soldering so imaging the OS can be done before your RasPi even arrives on your Windows/Mac computer. In contrast eMMC is soldered onto the board, while the m.2 didn't even exist back in 2012 when the first RasPi launched.

It's not that SD cards don't have advantages, it's that they also have noted disadvantages in terms of speed and reliability, particularly when you factor in that people don't always buy the high end models.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by timthorn »

justin66 wrote: post #61
timthorn wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're a child not earning your own money, price point matters enormously. I remember rarely ordering electronic components from Maplin because of the P&P charge which was massive compared to my pocket money. Though I did get a buzz from my first CASHTEL order: https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Mapelin/Maplin%20Electronic...

So my missing context as to why people obsess over price differences on the order of $20 when talking about single-board computers in Raspberry Pi-related comment threads is... they're thinking of the children?

That's the market RPi was initially established for

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #6
amelius wrote: post #2

But is it still the most attractive SBC at its price point?

Sadly, yes. You can buy whatever else you want, even cheaper and better today, and after three years, getting a modern supported OS will be a total pain, due to binary blobs, custom drivers, custom "design solutions" etc. RaspberryPi is currently the only SBC where you can take any revision of it and still get fully working(! yes, even wifi, bluetooth, etc.) software for it, even if it's not the newest and the greate…

It's my understanding that https://www.armbian.com/ has quite broad hardware support, and there are boards from Orange Pi and Pine64 that boast actual mainline kernel support, so this is more a case of a fragmented ecosystem than there being zero competitors that can meet or exceed pis.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by doublepg23 »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #48
esskay wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used Pi's dating back to the first one (even had one from the first batch manually packaged up by Eben and co). They're good, but arent without their issues. Power management has been a consistent problem with every single Pi. That combined with the Raspberry Pi Trading Co's behaviour over the last couple of years made me move to alternatives. Once an 8GB pi cost more than an i3 or i5 mini pc that is capable of…

> Once an 8GB pi cost more than an i3 or i5 mini pc But the Pi probably costs less once you factor in energy costs, no?

X86 machines have had perfectly fine idle wattages for ages now. I’m not sure why people think an x86 machine is sucking 50W at all times or something.
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