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#62

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China, behind the surface, is very anarchic, bejing can make rules all it wants but the local government beyond surface placation won't honor the spirit and restart production of all kind of stuff. Which is fascinating, cause as soon as party rule is threatened, that very same principle ceases to apply.

Any sufficiently big country is very anarchic in that sense. US and India are made of literal states. Russia resembles a medieval feudal structure. UK is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, and it all would be about 5% population of China. An idea that someone or something could govern such a huge amount of people directly and controlling all aspects of life and economy looks absurd to me.

You should spend some time on YouTube watching videos about China and North Korea. It’s not absurd at all and the psychological mechanisms are well known to anyone who’s spent time reviewing how controlling a population works. Just a minimal cursory review reveals how fear and a rigid hierarchy are all that’s needed.

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#63

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Any sufficiently big country is very anarchic in that sense. US and India are made of literal states. Russia resembles a medieval feudal structure. UK is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, and it all would be about 5% population of China. An idea that someone or something could govern such a huge amount of people directly and controlling all aspects of life and economy looks absurd to me.

You should spend some time on YouTube watching videos about China and North Korea. It’s not absurd at all and the psychological mechanisms are well known to anyone who’s spent time reviewing how controlling a population works. Just a minimal cursory review reveals how fear and a rigid hierarchy are all that’s needed.

I was born in the USSR, so, with all due respect, I think I know more about the internal mechanics of undemocratic states than a person who watched YouTube.

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The regime exists only because the people believe in the regime. If the people armed themselves and coordinated, they would outnumber policemen and soldiers. This is true in China, but it's true everywhere else. It's true in the west. If people stop complying we would get way more power and overall reduce inequality between the few rich and powerful and politically connect and you everyday Joe. For the same principle…

>If people stop complying we would get way more power and overall reduce inequality between the few rich and powerful and politically connect and you everyday Joe. I dont believe it Inequality would be even worse and upward mobility would be reduced, at least in the west.

Why do you believe this?

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#67

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The regime exists only because the people believe in the regime. If the people armed themselves and coordinated, they would outnumber policemen and soldiers. This is true in China, but it's true everywhere else. It's true in the west. If people stop complying we would get way more power and overall reduce inequality between the few rich and powerful and politically connect and you everyday Joe. For the same principle…

>If people stop complying we would get way more power and overall reduce inequality between the few rich and powerful and politically connect and you everyday Joe. I dont believe it Inequality would be even worse and upward mobility would be reduced, at least in the west.

That’s … not how it works. The US had built strong unions in multiple areas of work because people didn’t comply with what was expected of them. This is part of why its middle class became large and monetarily strong. We’re people to band together in defiance of the expectations of the wealthy and political class, they could wrestle power back and rebalance the system. It’s history. Go read it.

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#70

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>If people stop complying we would get way more power and overall reduce inequality between the few rich and powerful and politically connect and you everyday Joe. I dont believe it Inequality would be even worse and upward mobility would be reduced, at least in the west.

That’s … not how it works. The US had built strong unions in multiple areas of work because people didn’t comply with what was expected of them. This is part of why its middle class became large and monetarily strong. We’re people to band together in defiance of the expectations of the wealthy and political class, they could wrestle power back and rebalance the system. It’s history. Go read it.

Unions are quite different than armed response

>If the people armed themselves and coordinated, they would outnumber policemen and soldiers.

It feels like chaos would emerge, no true leaderships, gangs, mafias everywhere

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