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Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by TMWNN »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #50
cinntaile wrote: post #26

I can't be the only one that's surprised that Nokia still has 86000 employees. It makes me wonder what they all do.

Nokia makes all kinds of telecommunications gear that is not consumer facing. One time I was working in an old Cold War bunker in Finland that was being used as a datacenter. Really wild place with servers in rows in cavernous caves. The toilet paper dispenser in the men's room was made by Nokia ;) A Swedish friend of mine has a chainsaw guard made by Nokia. They used to make even more kinds of stuff.

I think the counterpart to Nintendo's playing cards in Nokia's history is rubber boots.

Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by tgaj »

cinntaile wrote: post #55
lifeinthevoid wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm so tired of seeing these comments where people assume they can accurately assess how many employees companies are supposed to have ...

I find people that don't read what is written a lot more tiring. Where did I assume I can accurately assess how many employees Nokia is supposed to have?

So if you can't assess - why are you suprised about this particular number?

Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by doikor »

mschuster91 wrote: post #58
contrarian1234 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"companies have to actually follow laws“ What? Nokia won't follow laws in other countries? "No firing of individuals without cause" That's generally the distinction between firing and laying off. Layed off employees generally get unemployment. "7 months until your employment actually terminates" You continue working at a company that you will have to leave? What incentives do you have to keep putting in any effort? D…

> You continue working at a company that you will have to leave? What incentives do you have to keep putting in any effort? Doesn't this lead to massive amount of corporate theft? In the US you are typically "shown the door" when your employment is terminated to minimize the possibility of disgruntled ex-employees taking corporate IP with them. If employers fear that, they can do something that's called "Freistellung…

Yes "garden leave" is one option.

But also you did sign the NDA which still applies even after you no longer work for the company. Though most people working in tech work on such mundane things that their workplace really doesn't have anything worth stealing IP wise.

Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by moffkalast »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #4

Is this the normal course of things? "We are now beginning the process of consultation on initial reductions." I'm not in the know.. but it comes off as if they have no idea what they're doing. You'd think you'd decide who you are gunna lay off before announcing it..? And they will be laying people off for two years straight? Seems like it'd just tank the moral of the whole place. I thought companies generally rip th…

I think that's the part where they bring in consultants to ask each person "What exactly would you say you do here?"

Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by mschuster91 »

doikor wrote: post #64
mschuster91 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You continue working at a company that you will have to leave? What incentives do you have to keep putting in any effort? Doesn't this lead to massive amount of corporate theft? In the US you are typically "shown the door" when your employment is terminated to minimize the possibility of disgruntled ex-employees taking corporate IP with them. If employers fear that, they can do something that's called "Freistellung…

Yes "garden leave" is one option. But also you did sign the NDA which still applies even after you no longer work for the company. Though most people working in tech work on such mundane things that their workplace really doesn't have anything worth stealing IP wise.

If you as an employer are afraid that people will take sensitive IP with them, continue employing them on paper and paying them for the inconvenience of not being able to go to a different employer.

Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #50
cinntaile wrote: post #26

I can't be the only one that's surprised that Nokia still has 86000 employees. It makes me wonder what they all do.

Nokia makes all kinds of telecommunications gear that is not consumer facing. One time I was working in an old Cold War bunker in Finland that was being used as a datacenter. Really wild place with servers in rows in cavernous caves. The toilet paper dispenser in the men's room was made by Nokia ;) A Swedish friend of mine has a chainsaw guard made by Nokia. They used to make even more kinds of stuff.

The started off pulping paper in 1865. They've sold off all the non technology businesses years ago - Nokia tyres is probably the biggest:

https://www.nokiantyres.com/

Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by dagw »

TMWNN wrote: post #61
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nokia makes all kinds of telecommunications gear that is not consumer facing. One time I was working in an old Cold War bunker in Finland that was being used as a datacenter. Really wild place with servers in rows in cavernous caves. The toilet paper dispenser in the men's room was made by Nokia ;) A Swedish friend of mine has a chainsaw guard made by Nokia. They used to make even more kinds of stuff.

I think the counterpart to Nintendo's playing cards in Nokia's history is rubber boots.

Nokia's history is rubber boots

That part of Nokia still exists actually, spun off as Nokian Tyres.

Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by ackbar03 »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #49
cinntaile wrote: post #26

I can't be the only one that's surprised that Nokia still has 86000 employees. It makes me wonder what they all do.

Just need a team of 6 and scale up using AWS, right?

And Aws is operated by a team of 6 who scale up using azure

Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by csomar »

RecycledEle wrote: post #16

A year before the first iPhone was released, I told Nokia they needed to take their N700 Internet Tablet, add voice calling and text messaging, and offer it in many screen sizes like 3", 4", 5", 6", and 7". If they had followed my advice instead of laughing at me they would still be the largest cell phone maker on planet Earth.

I still remember the N900 when it was first launched. It was revolutionary. Period. It's unfortunate we ended in this situation where phones are just incapable of doing anything but being a camera.
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