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The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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drankl wrote: post #60
romafirst3 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no advantage that shows up in the data to show that trans athletes have an advantage in sports. If there were we would see trans-athletes winning lots of medals. They don't. In fact there just aren't that many athletes. This is a giant nothing-burger. There is another argument that says trans-athletes can be disadvantaged by having a skeletal structure which their hormone system can not properly power and th…

There is plenty of data which shows the sex-based performance gap is so large that, even when impaired by long-term testosterone suppression, male athletes still have a significant performance advantage over female athletes. Please read the review I linked in my previous comment. I also linked you data which shows that males have won hundreds of medals in women's competitions, and provided you a case study in the for…

Then why aren’t the Olympics being won by trans women. They are not.

Why isn’t the NCAA dominated by trans women ? Because it turns out it’s a giant nothing burger.

Like I said, you would expect 1% of the winners to be trans women but actually only one trans women ever has won a medal.

One person ever. And they were part of a soccer team so they are probably just over 1% of the women who won soccer medals that year, let alone every person who won an Olympic medal that year let alone that has ever won an Olympic medal.

Your argument is just trans phobia and I understand you can be scared of things but don’t allow that to ostracize a (small) group of people who just want to fit in.

Here is an article about the trans-phobia panic

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/22/indiana-gove...

Literally no transgender athlete in Indiana.

Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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Post by drankl »

romafirst3 wrote: post #61
drankl wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is plenty of data which shows the sex-based performance gap is so large that, even when impaired by long-term testosterone suppression, male athletes still have a significant performance advantage over female athletes. Please read the review I linked in my previous comment. I also linked you data which shows that males have won hundreds of medals in women's competitions, and provided you a case study in the for…

Then why aren’t the Olympics being won by trans women. They are not. Why isn’t the NCAA dominated by trans women ? Because it turns out it’s a giant nothing burger. Like I said, you would expect 1% of the winners to be trans women but actually only one trans women ever has won a medal. One person ever. And they were part of a soccer team so they are probably just over 1% of the women who won soccer medals that year,…

No athletes from Cambodia have ever won an Olympic medal. So would it be fair for any Cambodian man to compete in women's sports? No, it wouldn't. It would obviously be unfair. Just as it is when any male competes in women's sport.

Does every athlete who dopes win a medal or a spot on the podium? No, but it's still cheating, still an unfair advantage. Again, just as it is when any male competes in women's sport.

Female athletes aren't the only group to have protected competitive categories. For example, dwarf basketball leagues exist, where all players have to be below a certain height. Would it be fair for a player who is actually 6'6" tall to 'identify as short' and enter their competitions? No, of course not. It's as nonsensical and unfair as males 'identifying as female' to compete against female athletes.

Please take the time to read the resources I linked so you can actually understand the argument.

> Your argument is just transphobia and I understand you can be scared of things but don't allow that to ostracize a (small) group of people who just want to fit in.

That small group of people is men who very selfishly desire to compete in women's sports, regardless of how unfair this is on female athletes.

You're only looking at this from the male perspective, and are apparently unwilling to respect or understand women's boundaries. I suspect this is why you're not seeing the problem.

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