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Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by ammar2 »

jancsika wrote: post #56
auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

> Here's an example of a USFF (ultra small form factor) for $110 - https://www.ebay.com/itm/325826958401 Hm... > No adapter is included. Needs 65W or above (most dell/hp laptops around the year it came out are compatible) The 65W power adapter on Dell retails for $46.99 on sale, bringing the grand total to $156.99. And that's just after skimming your link for 2 minutes.

You don't need to buy the OEM power adapter for $46.99

The great thing about these Optiplexes is that they use a standard 20v 4.5x3mm DC jack for power. I run mine off a UPS with a usb-c to barrel jack cable.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

jancsika wrote: post #56
auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

> Here's an example of a USFF (ultra small form factor) for $110 - https://www.ebay.com/itm/325826958401 Hm... > No adapter is included. Needs 65W or above (most dell/hp laptops around the year it came out are compatible) The 65W power adapter on Dell retails for $46.99 on sale, bringing the grand total to $156.99. And that's just after skimming your link for 2 minutes.

Initial costs are higher with a SFF. Your use case dictates if it is worthwhile.

Last I checked, a Pi also does not come with a charger, case, or storage.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

jamesy0ung wrote: post #2

They might be good performance wise, but if you watch the Jeff Geerling video he mentions in the post, it will show you how much trouble he has with it. Custom distros with broken repos, non mainlined outdated kernels.

Especially when dealing with low-level hardware stuff, like SPI and PWM and other pin I/O, design can be much easier when sticking to Raspberries only, because there are inevitably a lot of quirks that are different between companies.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by galangalalgol »

petsfed wrote: post #31
auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

This sort of underscores the weakness of RPi as a complete computer: A complete computer is at least somewhat hardened against ESD and what not, has onboard storage of some description, and isn't severely throttled from a power standpoint. I like RPis and similar for rapid prototyping if I know I need GPIO control, but if you don't, there are better machines out there, at similar price points.

If you need GPIO you might be able to use a uc like an rp2040 or esp32 and connect that to your dell machine. The uc run as cheap as $5 for something that is 32bits with wifi.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by dpedu »

ammar2 wrote: post #61
jancsika wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Here's an example of a USFF (ultra small form factor) for $110 - https://www.ebay.com/itm/325826958401 Hm... > No adapter is included. Needs 65W or above (most dell/hp laptops around the year it came out are compatible) The 65W power adapter on Dell retails for $46.99 on sale, bringing the grand total to $156.99. And that's just after skimming your link for 2 minutes.

You don't need to buy the OEM power adapter for $46.99 The great thing about these Optiplexes is that they use a standard 20v 4.5x3mm DC jack for power. I run mine off a UPS with a usb-c to barrel jack cable.

No they don't. It is a barrel jack you can obtain an adapter for elsewhere, but your adapter is going to be missing the third pin. This type of system uses the 3rd line to communicate with the power supply and during startup the computer asks it how much power it is capable of supplying. If the power supply doesn't answer, it drastically throttles your CPU. Sure, you can boot the system, though it would be throwing away the majority of your cpu performance.

Furthermore, I have several of these systems and tried sourcing 3rd party power adapters online. For this aspect, not one of them worked correctly.

I did a write up here: https://old.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/11o0x5o/dell_3050_...

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by kennethrc »

Pxtl wrote: post #27

The Pi 5 looks neat and I hear it's finally got a power button built-in, which was always the sorest point of the rpi series for me - the fact that it had no good story for safely idling was always absurd. The default configuration was "if you lose power there's a good chance the filesystem will be corrupt". Still, does the new one do better beyond having an off-button? Like does it wake via USB properly? Does it hav…

> The default configuration was "if you lose power there's a good chance the filesystem will be corrupt".

"Good chance"? We used to do kernel module development directly on Pi3/4s at this one client of mine, and I would OOPS the kernel from time-to-time (couple of times a day on average in the beginning stages) and never had a loss that ext4 couldn't recover from (and as the Pis lacked a "reset" button, resets were done via power-cycling).

We used standard PNY/Samsung Micro-SDs, too (i.e., not industrial-grade varieties), but we did pick the faster-IO variants when possible.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by Alex63 »

auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

The Serve The Home articles inspired me to go this route. I want to improve my understanding of Kubernetes for work. I picked up an HP EliteDesk 705 G4 mini desktop and an HP EliteDesk 800 G4 mini desktop. Each was less than $200, and included 16 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD, HDMI and DP outputs, and a power brick. One from Amazon ("renewed") and one from eBay. My 705 came with a Ryzen 2400G, and the 800 came with a i5-8500. I'm not planning to stack them so I was happy with the 65W chips although it means keeping the top of the case clear for cooling. Serve The Home recommends the 35W chips if you are going to stack them.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by baz00 »

naikrovek wrote: post #42
baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

every person I know who has had problems with the Pis has had problems because they've cheaped out on either storage or power supply. the official power supplies (and others with the same ratings) are only sufficient if you don't plug anything into the USB port, don't have any hardware drawing power from the GPIO, and don't utilize Bluetooth and wifi 100% of the time at full throughput or anything. boot to a fast thu…

Oh no they are shit. And I used to design embedded systems years ago. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

And you basically outlined it: they are bad quality and we have all these power problems and here's the insane list of workarounds.

Incidentally I ran mine of an Agilent E3614A which was worth 30x the price of the Pi.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by [deleted] »

auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

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Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by gsich »

dpedu wrote: post #65
ammar2 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to buy the OEM power adapter for $46.99 The great thing about these Optiplexes is that they use a standard 20v 4.5x3mm DC jack for power. I run mine off a UPS with a usb-c to barrel jack cable.

No they don't. It is a barrel jack you can obtain an adapter for elsewhere, but your adapter is going to be missing the third pin. This type of system uses the 3rd line to communicate with the power supply and during startup the computer asks it how much power it is capable of supplying. If the power supply doesn't answer, it drastically throttles your CPU. Sure, you can boot the system, though it would be throwing a…

Lenovo uses a resistor to check the PSU power, should be easy enough. Don't know what Dell is doing.
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