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LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Good news for those 700: because we don't have tech worker unions, they are able to individually bargain the terms of their layoff! ...right?

A union would have done nothing other than accelerate the process. We need laws that if a job is off-shored the company is penalized heavily, where it makes it painful and unbearable.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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There are some tech worker unions (like at NYT) but not enough. A relevant book that recently came out but I have not read is You Deserve a Tech Union by Ethan Marcotte https://abookapart.com/products/you-deserve-a-tech-union

My first job was at a tech company with a union. Boeing. It was ridiculously bad. I've never worked with less talented people. One of my coworkers did nothing, at all, for 2 years. But with 17 years of experience, he couldn't be fired. I carried the team, but they couldn't pay me what I was worth or promote me. I left as soon as I could.

Was it the union that was the problem or was it that you were working for a Dinosaur that hadn't been required to operate in today's high-tech world? Experience has shown that AT&T and Disney are the same sort of thing when working in tech, yet they don't have unions. But what they do all have in common - they are old companies that formed well before the internet.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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There are some tech worker unions (like at NYT) but not enough. A relevant book that recently came out but I have not read is You Deserve a Tech Union by Ethan Marcotte https://abookapart.com/products/you-deserve-a-tech-union

My first job was at a tech company with a union. Boeing. It was ridiculously bad. I've never worked with less talented people. One of my coworkers did nothing, at all, for 2 years. But with 17 years of experience, he couldn't be fired. I carried the team, but they couldn't pay me what I was worth or promote me. I left as soon as I could.

you are associating a top-ten US Defense contractor with "being in a tech union"

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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> “As we continue to execute on our FY24 plan, we need to also evolve how we work and what we prioritize so we can deliver on the key initiatives we’ve identified that will have an outsized impact in achieving our business goals,” LinkedIn executives Mohak Shroff and Tomer Cohen wrote in the memo. Is this standard business communication lingo for layoffs?

This is one of the worst examples of 'biz-speak' I've ever come across adding insult to injury for those 700 workers being let go.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Classic "all unions are corrupt" propaganda despite the evidence that they are extremely beneficial to workers. > While your union leader does nothing while driving a luxury car "While the CEO owns a couple private jets and the company initiates another billion dollar stock buyback" I'd take my chances on getting an occasionally corrupt union (that I actually have a say in) vs 100% of companies that couldn't care les…

Haven't seen a well functioning union. Years ago I was practically forced to enter some, they were all scams. If you are a member of a good one, good for you.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Perhaps a newly-formed modern day union would strive to improve upon the problems of past unions with the benefit of historical hindsight.

Maybe, but it is likely that you will not be able to form a new union and instead be forced to join with an existing one. As soon as a big union hears of your efforts they will step in and demand to be the ones to represent you then they only need a couple people to scream we need to join the big union and they can fight your efforts to be independent in court.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Is anyone really surprised? Did you think the end result of the WFH movement was going to be companies continuing to pay you to live out of your Bay Area house?

Anecdotally, in my circles, most truly thought that this won't have an impact in the compensation levels. Always struck me as incredibly short-sighted and your comment is actually the first I see that explicitly states what I thought as well. There is still an argument that, if you truly want top talent, then that top talent might actually want to live in high COL locations like NY or whatever.

I've had private equity people tell me prior to the pandemic that if a job can be done from home, then it can be done from India. It basically makes sense to me. I know the common rejoinders about time zones (which ignores that there are plenty of cheaper countries south of the US) and culture/language, but I suppose we'll see if the FAANGs can overcome those issues; many companies have gone before in this regard.

It's one of a few reasons I prefer in person work.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Good news for those 700: because we don't have tech worker unions, they are able to individually bargain the terms of their layoff! ...right?

A union would have done nothing other than accelerate the process. We need laws that if a job is off-shored the company is penalized heavily, where it makes it painful and unbearable.

Why?

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Good news for those 700: because we don't have tech worker unions, they are able to individually bargain the terms of their layoff! ...right?

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Forming an employer-specific union is vastly different from joining a mega-union.

But I wonder: how do you feel about the CEO "driving a luxury car" (as if linkedin engineers can't afford to do the same) amidst these layoffs?

Looking for the dirt:

The UAW president pulls down $340k/y. That's mid-range L4 at LI.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12629037/UAW-presid...

The CEO of Stellantis gets $24.8M/y. That's fuck you money.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2023/02/25/s...

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