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Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by juunpp »

Lazare wrote: post #56

Just chiming in here. My experience is: * Google search was good, but has been steadily getting worse. Over the last 1-3 years it's become actively unplesant. * DDG solves a lot of privacy issues, but the search quality is strictly worse than Google. I know people who use it preferentially, and I respect that, but personally Google search is already so bad than opting for something even worse is hard for me to accept…

Aren't your Kagi searches tied to a payment method? That it doesn't exploit you in every way possible is commendable, but stating that it "solves the privacy issues" is a long stretch.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by _gllen »

upghost wrote: post #27

I should probably add in that kagi has some secret modes. If you precede the search query with `!expert` you get an LLM search response. If you precede it with `!code` you get a GPT-4-ish tuned response. It’s… really good. And since you can do it from a browser bar if you make it your default browser, I find myself reaching for !expert at least 50% as often as ChatGPT these days. Also, it’s extremely good with citati…

Sounded cool, but seems like it’s (!expert) a closed beta. I just get redirected to expert.nl, maybe requires the ultimate plan? The docs are pretty unclear.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by Supermancho »

titaniumtown wrote: post #9

Honestly, I rather use Bing and get paid for searching. As a student with no income, I rather use something free.

A superior solution that's 2/mo or 20/yr would be something I would go for, given my income. I would not expect anyone I know to go for a search engine that charges 10/mo.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by ncallaway »

mortify wrote: post #31

Something like Kagi is going to have to make its case strongly before making $120/year sound appealing. Google's only advantage over other search engines is its ability to search forums more deeply. The build-in feature of diving into reddit, stack overflow, etc is often useful. After a few test searches, Kagi is adept at this as well. Other free search alternatives that I've been happy with include: Ecosia, Quant, o…

They also have a $5/month plan

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

juunpp wrote: post #61
Lazare wrote: post #56

Just chiming in here. My experience is: * Google search was good, but has been steadily getting worse. Over the last 1-3 years it's become actively unplesant. * DDG solves a lot of privacy issues, but the search quality is strictly worse than Google. I know people who use it preferentially, and I respect that, but personally Google search is already so bad than opting for something even worse is hard for me to accept…

Aren't your Kagi searches tied to a payment method? That it doesn't exploit you in every way possible is commendable, but stating that it "solves the privacy issues" is a long stretch.

> Aren't your Kagi searches tied to a payment method?

Kagi accepts Bitcoin [1]. They also “do not log searches or in any way tie them to an account” [2].

[1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/payment-methods.html

[2] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-protection.html

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by Semaphor »

Urgo wrote: post #41

Been using Duck Duck Go for maybe three or so years now? It's very rare I fallback to google other then for google maps (!gm). I do make heavy use of ChatGPT and Bard though. I wish there was more example results then just "best headphones", "steve jobs", and "python exceptions". I'm interested, but not interested enough to sign up. Maybe its just me, but all the marketing and comments are why to switch away from goo…

I also can’t understand the issues with DDG. There were some issues, but they were rare. And at least for Germany, local search was also good. Used it for several years as main driver, with !g being a rather rare escape hatch.

With Kagi, I simply get slightly less spam, and slightly more relevant results (than either with DDG or Google). With every search. And even when I get a bad result, it’s one click to downrank or even block that domain.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by buzer »

juunpp wrote: post #61
Lazare wrote: post #56

Just chiming in here. My experience is: * Google search was good, but has been steadily getting worse. Over the last 1-3 years it's become actively unplesant. * DDG solves a lot of privacy issues, but the search quality is strictly worse than Google. I know people who use it preferentially, and I respect that, but personally Google search is already so bad than opting for something even worse is hard for me to accept…

Aren't your Kagi searches tied to a payment method? That it doesn't exploit you in every way possible is commendable, but stating that it "solves the privacy issues" is a long stretch.

They at least claim that they don't save the search history. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/settings/privacy.html

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by wolverine876 »

simpaticoder wrote: post #2

Looking forward to the inevitable "Kagi sells user data" investigative report. The simple truth is that unless they make themselves explicitly liable to users if they are ever caught doing this, that the irresistable urge to monetize user data will tempt even the most well-meaning firm into sin. The ONLY solution is to make 'sinning' an existential threat to the firm. IANAL but I believe this can be done if ownership…

What is their privacy policy?

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

upghost wrote: post #27

I should probably add in that kagi has some secret modes. If you precede the search query with `!expert` you get an LLM search response. If you precede it with `!code` you get a GPT-4-ish tuned response. It’s… really good. And since you can do it from a browser bar if you make it your default browser, I find myself reaching for !expert at least 50% as often as ChatGPT these days. Also, it’s extremely good with citati…

I’ve been using Quick Answer quite a bit. The fact that it cites its sources is absolutely fantastic.
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