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Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And sales tax, CA “paint disposal fees”, CA bottle fees, and all the other crap CA (and municipalities) tack onto their bills?

My cable/fiber bill is chock full of fees — many apparently imposed by the city, county, and state.

Some, such as Verizon's Telco Recovery Charge, are completely made up by the provider! How that isn't just fraud is beyond me.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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post #15

We could learn from for example Japan where there is no cents and all fees included so 5000 Yen is 5000 yen no tip no tax no fees no cents it's really cortisol reducing.

Yes but Japan also has hidden fees sometimes. Like in certain restaurants they serve you an appetizer that you dont ask for and charge you for it before the real order comes.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#63

Looks like Ticketmaster, AT&T, Comcast Xfinity, Hotels with mandatory "resort fees", airlines, banks, car dealerships and rental agencies, realtors, landlords, etc. may have to make some changes. Deceptive pricing is extremely annoying, as are stealth price increases.

IANAL but my quick read of the legislation suggests rental car companies might be exempt, as long as the fees are disclosed somewhere.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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post #15

We could learn from for example Japan where there is no cents and all fees included so 5000 Yen is 5000 yen no tip no tax no fees no cents it's really cortisol reducing.

Tax is not always included in Japan in the shown price①. For example, the 100 yen stores the tax is separate so I know if I pick up five items I am paying 550 yen.(10% sales tax nationwide for almost everything.)

①However, by law the price tag is required to also show the with tax(税込) price if displaying the without tax price.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taxes are set at a multiple levels (federal, state, district, and city) so it's pretty much impossible to show the post tax price on the label. Hidden fees are a completely different issue.

I never understand this argument at all. Your shops have computers with label printers, right? At the Co-op supermarket in our little UK town (population 3000) they’ve even just replaced the shelf price tickets with tiny colour displays.

It's not really a problem in brick and mortar stores. It's a problem in online stores because you can't necessarily give someone the right price with taxes until you have their address.

And this problem is harder than some might think. I knew someone who lived on a street that was a "dividing line" for this stuff: same zip code, same city, but one side had a 9% sales tax, the other side had around 7%. We tested a lot of online stores and none of them got it right. Including Amazon.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taxes are set at a multiple levels (federal, state, district, and city) so it's pretty much impossible to show the post tax price on the label. Hidden fees are a completely different issue.

I never understand this argument at all. Your shops have computers with label printers, right? At the Co-op supermarket in our little UK town (population 3000) they’ve even just replaced the shelf price tickets with tiny colour displays.

Yeah, so in the US that doesn't work. Most obviously for display, tv, or radio ads you cannot ensure correct taxes in the advertisement (this was a big eye opener when I first moved to the US).

It also doesn't work for online sales, where the final price can depend on the final destination of the goods or service. e.g. the taxes cannot be displayed until you've been given a street level address.

For me for example even my zip code spans 3 different cities with different tax codes, my street is literally one block from a different city in one direction, and about 5 blocks to another. \o/

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aside from the cents bit, it's like that in Australia too. If something (retail) says $30 then it's $30. If it says $30.95 then it's $30.95. It's very simple. When you're selling wholesale it's different because it's a sales tax, and that's paid by the consumer, not the retail business.

Sales tax is paid by the consumer? The consumer mails in a check for the sales tax to the government?

Sales tax is charged only once for a retail good, not for the sales of wholesale goods that led to the retail sale. Otherwise the store that sold you a thing would itself have also had to pay 10% on that thing, as would the factory that bought the raw materials to make the thing, etc.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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> Advertising goods or services with intent not to supply reasonably expectable demand, unless the advertisement discloses a limitation of quantity.

This is interesting. I expect we'll see more of "first 10 customers" or "while supplies last" (15 seconds).

> (11) Advertising furniture without clearly indicating that it is unassembled if that is the case.

Ikea is worried.

> (19) Inserting an unconscionable provision in the contract.

As in every click-through license "agreement" ever?

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#70
Will this apply to all those miserable 5% "economic adjustment" surcharges that restaurants started charging a couple of years ago?

I stopped going to restaurants that charge those fees, but it's become so widespread that it can be a challenge to find any that don't at this point.

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