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Why I Chose New York

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Re: Why I Chose New York

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you need to do if you want to live in San Francisco and work in Silicon Valley: get a (stupidly expensive!) apartment near Caltrain, take an express train down (30-45 minutes, and work on the train), then get the rest of the way to work quickly (helps if your startup is near the train - mine is ~20 minutes' ride, not the greatest). It's probably not as good as you're getting in New York, but it's significantly b…

Hmm, I always imagined I'd get a car I really liked and drive down 280 south (against traffic). But those condos in SoMa sure are nice.

very nice indeed

Re: Why I Chose New York

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My previous team was split between Mountain View and New York. We'd travel back and forth. Don't get me wrong: I love the Bay Area. The weather for one thing is simply heaven. We'd often get into debates about this. My argument is that it is cheaper to live in New York than the Bay Area. The main reason for this is that almost anywhere you live in the Bay Area you will have a car. Between car payment, insurance, gas…

You're forgetting that taxes are higher as well and most people's commutes are much longer than you suggest. Also the weather which is awful

Re: Why I Chose New York

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My previous team was split between Mountain View and New York. We'd travel back and forth. Don't get me wrong: I love the Bay Area. The weather for one thing is simply heaven. We'd often get into debates about this. My argument is that it is cheaper to live in New York than the Bay Area. The main reason for this is that almost anywhere you live in the Bay Area you will have a car. Between car payment, insurance, gas…

You're forgetting that taxes are higher as well and most people's commutes are much longer than you suggest. Also the weather which is awful

Re: Why I Chose New York

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It's only Bay vs NYC? Why not stay in Austin? Every startup here is hiring. Why not Boston, Boulder, Seattle, or Portland? Not mentioning other cities seems shortsighted. Online startups can exist anywhere. If you're not interested in groupthink considering other cities seems very reasonable. I also don't buy your SF commute argument. There are tons of startups in downtown SF. You don't have to live in the bay area a…

What startups are in Austin? I did a quick google search and found this list: http://www.austinemerging100.com/list.php as well as this blog: http://austinstartup.com/ Previously, I thought Gowalla was the only somewhat known startup in Austin, but they sold to Facebook. Are there any other somewhat known startups in Austin?

"What startups are in Austin?"

The one you started. Nothing else matters.

Re: Why I Chose New York

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My previous team was split between Mountain View and New York. We'd travel back and forth. Don't get me wrong: I love the Bay Area. The weather for one thing is simply heaven. We'd often get into debates about this. My argument is that it is cheaper to live in New York than the Bay Area. The main reason for this is that almost anywhere you live in the Bay Area you will have a car. Between car payment, insurance, gas…

Facebook also has a NYC engineering office now, and we are hiring! It's nicely located right next to grand central.

Re: Why I Chose New York

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1h 30m commute is only if you insist on busing down to Apple or Google every day. There are plenty of companies you can work for in SF that you can reach in much less time. And if you think it's going to be affordable to live five minutes walk from your office in NYC, think again. (disclaimer: lived in both)

I agree with you on SF. There are certainly a bunch of great companies to work for there. However, at the risk of angering a lot of people, the majority of promising startups are in the South Bay. NYC is expensive, but not unbelievably so, especially when put next to SF. To live within a 5-10m walk of Palantir's office in the West Village is roughly $4k for a 2BR(so I'll be paying $2k/month). Certainly not low rent b…

I'm not sure where you're getting your information that the majority of promising startups are in the South Bay.

The energy in Silicon Valley has been shifting northwards for the last 10 years. The majority of large companies are in the South Bay, but among companies less than 5 years old, there are as many great ones in SF as in PA/MV.

Re: Why I Chose New York

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It's only Bay vs NYC? Why not stay in Austin? Every startup here is hiring. Why not Boston, Boulder, Seattle, or Portland? Not mentioning other cities seems shortsighted. Online startups can exist anywhere. If you're not interested in groupthink considering other cities seems very reasonable. I also don't buy your SF commute argument. There are tons of startups in downtown SF. You don't have to live in the bay area a…

I second that the OP should look more into staying in Austin. Austin has plenty of women, and you don't need to have a car here if you don't want too. I have been living here a year without a car and do fine, plus your money goes farther here in Austin. I have lived in the Bay and LA, and while the weather is the best in SoCal (best in the US?) I love everything Austin has to offer and will be here a while.

Re: Why I Chose New York

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My previous team was split between Mountain View and New York. We'd travel back and forth. Don't get me wrong: I love the Bay Area. The weather for one thing is simply heaven. We'd often get into debates about this. My argument is that it is cheaper to live in New York than the Bay Area. The main reason for this is that almost anywhere you live in the Bay Area you will have a car. Between car payment, insurance, gas…

You say it's cheaper, then use the example of a $2000 apartment which is an insane amount to pay for housing. Then you (correctly) note that the cheap places are actually really far (and annoying) commutes. BART stations are much cleaner than NYC subway stations, I find the trips much more pleasant.

Your startup could also be in SF (not MV) saving you the commute, have you thought about that?

Eating fast food Good, healthy, cheap food in SF is pretty common, it's the lifestyle there.

> Door to door will typically take him ~35 minutes.

Bull. Maybe if he jumps out of his building, sprints to the stop, and the subway car just happens to be waiting for him the moment you get there. The fact is that if you work late into the night, the cars come less frequently, especially to/from places outside of Manhattan. You have to factor in average wait time (since NY Subways still don't track subway cars like any other good transit system). My closest subway stops would also be closed for days or weeks at a time randomly for upkeep. Don't forget that, during rush hour, you stand in a sardine can with a hundred other people.

Also, NY culture is a consumption culture. Even if you can possibly scrape by with less, you're in a culture that actively goes out and pays huge amounts for drinks at bars, measures class by where you live and places you shop, and you'll invariable end up paying some or a lot of money for cabs because of closed subway routes or maybe you just get sick of the dirty, cold subway.

I've done startups in both areas for years. I notice that people in New York justify the low quality of life by claiming the best possible aspect of something is the norm. It's not the norm. 35 minute commutes from Brooklyn, $2-$6 appetizers (who measures food costs in terms of appetizers??). $1000/mo one-bedrooms and 7-minute commutes have 0 correlation in NY.

Re: Why I Chose New York

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What startups are in Austin? I did a quick google search and found this list: http://www.austinemerging100.com/list.php as well as this blog: http://austinstartup.com/ Previously, I thought Gowalla was the only somewhat known startup in Austin, but they sold to Facebook. Are there any other somewhat known startups in Austin?

"What startups are in Austin?" The one you started. Nothing else matters.

That's a charming premise, but it doesn't really work out in reality.

Re: Why I Chose New York

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My previous team was split between Mountain View and New York. We'd travel back and forth. Don't get me wrong: I love the Bay Area. The weather for one thing is simply heaven. We'd often get into debates about this. My argument is that it is cheaper to live in New York than the Bay Area. The main reason for this is that almost anywhere you live in the Bay Area you will have a car. Between car payment, insurance, gas…

It's a real shame how many Americans are against public transit and think "infrastructure is communism."

I don't know anybody who thinks that
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