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Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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I think that is allowed because we don’t drink from the hot water tap.

If I'm making tea I do. I can't imagine that lead is boiling off...

That's a terrible way to make tea, fwiw.

Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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While a lot of this appears to be estimates... it's pretty wild of 30% of deaths from cardiovascular are caused by lead.

Mostly in low/middle income countries.

> It's items in the kitchen that are poisoning them

On a positive note: This is something that can be fixed.

Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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IQ being public might be problematic; I've heard from more than one lawyer that one ought-not use IQ as a hiring filter, unless you have evidence that the IQ test is not biased against any protected groups. Indeed, hiring from more selective universities is, to a certain degree, a way of laundering hiring based off of IQ, since you can pass the buck to the university itself to not be racially biased.

There are some races with average scores of 70. Can you believe it? Why of course I am talking about "white america" in 1900s [1]. [1] https://www.apa.org/monitor/2013/03/smarter > Over the past 100 years, Americans' mean IQ has been on a slow but steady climb. Between 1900 and 2012, it rose nearly 30 points, which means that the average person of 2012 had a higher IQ than 95 percent of the population had in 1900.

Goodhart's law strikes again.

As soon as IQ becomes a measurable thing, populations that measure it will act in ways that increase it. Shocking, I know.

Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that is allowed because we don’t drink from the hot water tap.

If I'm making tea I do. I can't imagine that lead is boiling off...

You should switch to using the cold water tap to fill your kettle! Also, when you see what kind of build up can happen in a hot water heater, you'll definitely want to avoid drinking from the hot water tap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAzKts6Wp1Q&t=207s

Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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There have always been people on this site who think RoHS was a conspiracy. There are a few people who do not take the public health problems caused by lead very seriously.

And you can't, with a straight face, tell me that lead free solder matters, while we're still using lead acid batteries with dozens of pounds of lead in every car out there (to within a rounding error, and, yes, it includes almost all EV/PHEVs). The list of exemptions is very long.

Lead free solder is objectively worse as a solder for just about any metric related to longevity. So you have to weigh the risks of lead in solder against the reduced longevity of entire electronic devices from solder joint failures. Lots of BGA components have had problems related to their solder, and the usual result is that the entire device gets thrown out.

Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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Is IQ a piece of private information? Does everybody in the country get an IQ test in school? Can we just look that up in the public records? It sure would be useful if it was public and universal. For tracking the effects of lead poisoning for one. Or just factoring it into any big study. We might find something unexpected.

IQ being public might be problematic; I've heard from more than one lawyer that one ought-not use IQ as a hiring filter, unless you have evidence that the IQ test is not biased against any protected groups. Indeed, hiring from more selective universities is, to a certain degree, a way of laundering hiring based off of IQ, since you can pass the buck to the university itself to not be racially biased.

This is a common predicament.

A piece of information that, if it was made public, would be immensely useful in countless ways for the management of our society, But it might also be exploited by bad people. So it is made private.

And the icing on the cake. We say "it's private because privacy is intrinsically good and a basic human right ". Not, "It's private because we fear bad people".

Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm making tea I do. I can't imagine that lead is boiling off...

You should switch to using the cold water tap to fill your kettle! Also, when you see what kind of build up can happen in a hot water heater, you'll definitely want to avoid drinking from the hot water tap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAzKts6Wp1Q&t=207s

That's not lead, that's limescale[1]. Dissolved limestone is carried through the pipes, and settles out as scale.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limescale

Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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Studies like these always make me wonder what the equivalent of this today. Microplastics? Carbon? What else?

Chemical pesticides, nitrogen runoff from fertilizer (particularly cow dung), nuclear waste, all the CO2 from the 300-ish years of industrial scale fossil fuel usage, hundreds of years of devastation brought onto local wildlife which drove a lot of species to extinction, leftover from bombs and chemical weapons that was just casually dumped into the ocean after WW2 [1], leftover from silicon production (a shitload of Silicon Valley is superfund sites [2]), land mines and unexploded ordnance in former fighting areas such as the "zone rouge" from WW1 [3] or what's going to be left behind in Ukraine, all the NBC weapons that especially the US and (Soviet) Russia manufactured.

[1] https://www.geo.de/wissen/forschung-und-technik/weltkriegsmu...

[2] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/09/silic...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_rouge

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