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Tonga is running out of space for more than 30k abandoned cars

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Re: Tonga is running out of space for more than 30k abandoned cars

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Isn't this the Mount Everest trash solution as well? You have to carry out more trash than you carried in

some call it decency to leave a place just a little bit better than the way they found it, but "Mount Everest trash solution" sounds nice too

Decency in short supply.

Re: Tonga is running out of space for more than 30k abandoned cars

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I walked a lot more in San Francisco, which is a very walkable city in most places. Just keep an eye out for poop.

Ah yes, the open defecation capital of North America.

Is a search for "sidewalk poop" mentioning SF in the top #1 search result for you, too?

https://www.google.com/search?q=sidewalk+poop

Re: Tonga is running out of space for more than 30k abandoned cars

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When I was living in America, I'd drive 300m to the grocery store because I could, so I understand the feeling. I'm also sure it's hot & humid much of the time, which makes walking & biking a sweaty affair.

So you need a 3 ton machine to avoid sweating? Shades and trees are cheap to install and maintain, not to mention the wind whilst riding which gives you a nice cooling effect. The only reason you do not have shading+trees around roads is because they are removed in name of "traffic flow".

That's not why, it's so that business signage is not blocked by foliage, and so that police can scan areas more quickly while on patrol.

Re: Tonga is running out of space for more than 30k abandoned cars

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These people have lived sustainably for hundreds of years. Clearly, our "modern society" is inferior.

With a fairly low life expectancy, unfortunately. How can we live 70+ years while living sustainably? I'm sure we can do it, but we haven't sorted that out yet, maybe the long-living Mediterranean communities will offer a clue.

It's being studied

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_zone

Re: Tonga is running out of space for more than 30k abandoned cars

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These people have lived sustainably for hundreds of years. Clearly, our "modern society" is inferior.

With a fairly low life expectancy, unfortunately. How can we live 70+ years while living sustainably? I'm sure we can do it, but we haven't sorted that out yet, maybe the long-living Mediterranean communities will offer a clue.

Good point. We need to keep the good stuff and get rid of the single use plastics and other aberrations that put profits over sustainability.

Re: Tonga is running out of space for more than 30k abandoned cars

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So you need a 3 ton machine to avoid sweating? Shades and trees are cheap to install and maintain, not to mention the wind whilst riding which gives you a nice cooling effect. The only reason you do not have shading+trees around roads is because they are removed in name of "traffic flow".

That's not why, it's so that business signage is not blocked by foliage, and so that police can scan areas more quickly while on patrol.

That's an impressive level of carbrain. Roadside trees is completely standard all over the world, and Nukuʻalofa certainly has them: https://www.google.fr/maps/@-21.1406571,-175.2050866,3a,75y,...

> it's so that business signage is not blocked by foliage

That's patent nonsense (https://www.google.fr/maps/@52.3653572,4.8753188,3a,75y,95.4...) but even if it were not, why would it matter? Making the environment at large better should be the foremost guiding principle, businesses can adapt their signage habits.

> and so that police can scan areas more quickly while on patrol.

If roadside trees prevent your police from doing their job, you really need better police. Then again, we know the US needs better police.

Re: Tonga is running out of space for more than 30k abandoned cars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was living in America, I'd drive 300m to the grocery store because I could, so I understand the feeling. I'm also sure it's hot & humid much of the time, which makes walking & biking a sweaty affair.

So you need a 3 ton machine to avoid sweating? Shades and trees are cheap to install and maintain, not to mention the wind whilst riding which gives you a nice cooling effect. The only reason you do not have shading+trees around roads is because they are removed in name of "traffic flow".

To be fair (and balanced) Tonga does have a hot and humid (tropical rainforest) climate. The "cold" season means "it rarely gets over 27C (80F)", and humidity only dips a bit below 75% during the "dry" season.

Re: Tonga is running out of space for more than 30k abandoned cars

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I hadn't realised just how small Tonga's land area is. Imagine a square 30km x 30km. It's smaller than that (747 square km). But this table of countries ranked by population densities shows Tonga is not even close to the most densely populated countries (Tonga is about 65th of about 200 countries): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependen...

It’s strange how bikes haven’t caught on. Similar to Malta, which is tiny and heavily urbanized, but has a massive car problem. 30 km is what some people commute on bike daily.

Malta is hot, and hilly.

Re: Tonga is running out of space for more than 30k abandoned cars

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So you need a 3 ton machine to avoid sweating? Shades and trees are cheap to install and maintain, not to mention the wind whilst riding which gives you a nice cooling effect. The only reason you do not have shading+trees around roads is because they are removed in name of "traffic flow".

To be fair (and balanced) Tonga does have a hot and humid ( tropical rainforest ) climate. The "cold" season means "it rarely gets over 27C (80F)", and humidity only dips a bit below 75% during the "dry" season.

Fair enough, but the solution cannot be cars. Its simple geometry. Cars do not scale in cities and small spaces. Enough brainstorming would give a cycle-friendly non-car solution to this. I don't know: sprinklers + shading + narrow streets (shading) etc. Car-centric cities only make cities hotter if anything.

Re: Tonga is running out of space for more than 30k abandoned cars

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What is the difference between recycling taxes and regular ones?

This is challenging to answer with the nonspecific, "regular ones?" What, to you, is a "regular tax?" Payroll taxes? Income taxes? Property taxes? Sales taxes? Carbon taxes? Gas taxes? Cigarette taxes? All are as dissimilar to recycling taxes as they are to each other.

They mean direct taxes, as opposed to indirect ones.
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