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Re: Data accidentally exposed by Microsoft AI researchers

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Part of me thought "this is fine as very few could actually download 38TB". But that's not true as it's just so cheap to spin up a machine and some storage on a Cloud provider and deal with it later. It's also not true as I've got a 1Gbps internet connection and 112TB usable in my local NAS. All of a sudden (over a decade) all the numbers got big and massive data exfiltration just looks to be trivial. I mean, obvious…

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Re: Data accidentally exposed by Microsoft AI researchers

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I really dislike how Azure makes you juggle keys in order to make any two Azure things talk together.

Even more so, you only have two keys for the entire storage account. Would have made much more sense if you could have unlimited, named keys for each container.

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How do you have your NAS configured? The more specifics, the better; I’ve wanted one. Do you worry about failure? In your hardware life I mean, not your personal life.

Not the OP but I have a pair of Chenbro NR12000 1U rack mount servers, bought for about $120 each on eBay a few years ago. Each has 12 internal 3.5" mounting points and 14 SATA cables. In one server, I have 12 4TB used enterprise drives. In the other, I have 12 8TB drives. Both have 16 GB of RAM (should probably be more) and two 2.5" SATA SSDs. They are configured with two ZFS raidz1 vdevs, each made up of 6 disks. T…

What are you criteria for used enterprise drives? I'm wading into building a nas (well.. it's more of a 'project' nas as an above comment would say) and I'm getting a little lost in the sauce about drives.

Re: Data accidentally exposed by Microsoft AI researchers

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On a lighter note - I saw a chat message that started with "Hey dude! How is it going". I'm disappointed that the response was not https://nohello.net/en/ .

I strongly support the “no hello” concept but I also fear being seen as “that guy” so I never mention it. Sigh

I make it my status message.

Re: Data accidentally exposed by Microsoft AI researchers

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That modem setup in Wargames is still a thing for many organizations including some banks and telcos. Not naming names but I suspect the modems will be around for a very long time. Some have a password on their modem but they are usually very simple. Their only saving grace is that they are usually in front of a mainframe speaking proprietary MML that only old fuddy duddies like me would remember. There are a few of…

> I suspect the modems will be around for a very long time. No they won't. 'Dial up' modems need a PSTN line to work. The roll out of full fibre networks means analogue PSTN is going the way of the dodo. You cannot get a new PSTN line anymore in Blighty. In Estonia and the Netherlands (IIRC) the PSTN switch off is already complete.

I should have restricted that statement to include the United States of America. PSTN's are still utilized, deployed and actively sold in most of the US. As a side note I recently tried to get a telco to remove a phone line and two poles and they refused to do it. Their excuse was that they might one day run fiber over it despite there already being a fiber network here. I hope they do as my fiber ISP really does need a competitor. If they really do run the fiber over those poles vs burying it that would be amusing.

To your point I am sure some day the US will stop selling access to the PSTN but some old systems will hold on for dear life, government contracts and all. Governments are kindof slow to migrate to newer things.

Re: Data accidentally exposed by Microsoft AI researchers

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Two of the things that make me cringe are mentioned. Pickle files and SAS tokens. I get nervous dealing with Azure storage. Use RBAC. They should depreciate SAS and account keys IMO.

SOC2 type auditing should have been done here so I am surprised of the reach. Having the SAS with no expiry and then the deep level of access it gave including machine backups with their own tokens. A lot of lack of defence in depth going on there.

My view is burn all secrets. Burn all environment variables. I think most systems can work based on roles. Important humans access via username password and other factors.

If you are working in one cloud you don’t in theory need secrets. If not I had the idea the other day that proxies tightly couples to vaults could be used as api adaptors to convert then into RBAC too. But I am not a security expert just paranoid lol.

Re: Data accidentally exposed by Microsoft AI researchers

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Two of the things that make me cringe are mentioned. Pickle files and SAS tokens. I get nervous dealing with Azure storage. Use RBAC. They should depreciate SAS and account keys IMO. SOC2 type auditing should have been done here so I am surprised of the reach. Having the SAS with no expiry and then the deep level of access it gave including machine backups with their own tokens. A lot of lack of defence in depth goin…

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Re: Data accidentally exposed by Microsoft AI researchers

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The article tries to play up the AI angle, but this was a pretty standard misconfiguration of a storage token. This kind of thing happens shockingly often, and it’s why frequent pentests are important.

Pentests where people actually get out of bed to do stuff (read code, read API docs etc) and then try to really hack your system are rare. Pentests where people go through the motions, send you report with a few unimportant bits highlit while patting you on the back for your exemplary security so you can check the box on whatever audit you're going through are common.

Yep, most pentests go through the OWASP list and call it done.

Re: Data accidentally exposed by Microsoft AI researchers

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what does this have to do with a "modem" per se?

The parent comment was about the movie Wargames and the questionable security of the 80's that is still in use today . That security in Wargames was a modem that provided access to a subsystem of the WOPR mainframe named "Joshua" . Joshua had super-user privs on the mainframe. It was likely meant to be a temporary means for the system architect to monitor and improve the system after it was deployed but then life cha…

Yeah, when we were rewatching it, we were kind of amazed at how well it holds up, all things considered.

I think what makes it likable for me is that it's all on the cusp of believability. Obviously LLMs weren't quite mature enough to do everything Joshua did back then (and probably not now), but the fact that the "hacking" was basically just social engineering, and was just achieved by wardialing and a bit of creative thinking makes it somewhat charming, even today.

With the advent of LLMs being used increasingly for everyone, I do wonder how close we're going to get to some kind of "Global Thermonuclear War" simulation gone awry.

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