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DeepMind cofounder: Generative AI is just a phase. What’s next is interactive AI

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Re: DeepMind cofounder: Generative AI is just a phase. What’s next is interactive AI

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If you are able to do evil and profit then that is a failure in law and not capitalism.

Oppression is inherent to capitalism, it requires to create and exploit a bunch of suffering persons without any good option to keep efficiency and to do the most undesirable work for very bad salary, even though it should be worth more given its undesirable.

For example what kind of work?

Re: DeepMind cofounder: Generative AI is just a phase. What’s next is interactive AI

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I mean, do people no longer have any concept of ethics? And I don't mean this in the abstract sense, I mean literal practical everyday ethics. Understanding the concept of tradeoffs and consequences of actions and the rest. I feel like we've built a church (or possibly cult) that had mantras of "Innovation at all cost. Liquidity at all costs...." among a few others. With no view whatsoever as to what the implications…

I didn't say that we should give up medical privacy at all. Simply that there is, in fact, a trade off, and that the current regime looks to me both overly restrictive and poorly implemented. Wholly getting rid of medical privacy is obviously a bad idea. But perhaps we could agree that there are research purposes where greater access to data would be helpful, and that creating exemptions under certain circumstances c…

I think this question boils down to individualism vs collectivism. If you think it is ok to override individual rights in order to "benefit the many" then you will be in favor of your proposal. If you view individual rights as _unalienable_ then you won’t value collective benefits over the individual rights to privacy & self-determination.

I don’t see how your particular viewpoint is any less "binary" than the other one. Collectivism or individualism is the binary option, where you land on the collectivist side of the coin.

It's mind boggling to me that people still resort to ad-hominem attacks when discussing viewpoints here on HN, when it's clearly against the rules. How do we even approach it?

Re: DeepMind cofounder: Generative AI is just a phase. What’s next is interactive AI

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The magazine I worked for at the time was about to publish an article claiming that DeepMind had failed to comply with data protection regulations when accessing records from some 1.6 million patients to set up those collaborations—a claim later backed up by a government investigation. Suleyman couldn’t see why we would publish a story that was hostile to his company’s efforts to improve health care. As long as he co…

There is a real argument on the other side, though. We're dealing with technologies that they've when given access to loads of data. Health data is heavily regulated, and rightly so, but that regulation greatly hinders innovation. Hell medical data access problems are bad enough even when we aren't talking about innovation: simple problems in sharing data between different systems/providers leads to bad outcomes all…

Finance is highly regulated and SBF also claimed to only want to do good. He even recently had 250 pages of thoughts and memoirs released that underscore his own self-confidence and belief in his own innocence. Should SBF had more room to innovate?

The argument isn't so much about how to go about technical progress but who and how to trust a Suleyman, or a SBF, etc. Some will do the hard work, meticulously build both pre- and post-regulation products, diligently deal with stakeholders, and succeed or fail to move the market. Being comfortable with saying divisive things on-the-record is a pretty key lapse in rigor.

Re: DeepMind cofounder: Generative AI is just a phase. What’s next is interactive AI

#64

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Oppression is inherent to capitalism, it requires to create and exploit a bunch of suffering persons without any good option to keep efficiency and to do the most undesirable work for very bad salary, even though it should be worth more given its undesirable.

For example what kind of work?

Work concerning sewage, construction (a lot of the time safety requirements are not met cause employees wants to save money and persons hurt themself in accidents because of that), even being an Amazon warehouse worker without an option to go to the bathroom, etc.

Re: DeepMind cofounder: Generative AI is just a phase. What’s next is interactive AI

#65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, do people no longer have any concept of ethics? And I don't mean this in the abstract sense, I mean literal practical everyday ethics. Understanding the concept of tradeoffs and consequences of actions and the rest. I feel like we've built a church (or possibly cult) that had mantras of "Innovation at all cost. Liquidity at all costs...." among a few others. With no view whatsoever as to what the implications…

I didn't say that we should give up medical privacy at all. Simply that there is, in fact, a trade off, and that the current regime looks to me both overly restrictive and poorly implemented. Wholly getting rid of medical privacy is obviously a bad idea. But perhaps we could agree that there are research purposes where greater access to data would be helpful, and that creating exemptions under certain circumstances c…

There is no real trade off between medical privacy and research. That's a total red herring. Researchers can already ask patients for consent to use their data. Many patients will agree, especially if researchers explain the potential benefits and take responsible steps to safeguard the data.

HIPAA regulations also allow researchers to use de-identified data.

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/special-...

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