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Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by thulle »

unpopular42 wrote: post #53
thulle wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That little september bump? Compared to what seems to be a 5 month record gap?

It was record high the whole year. http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2023/09/asina_S_iqr_...

In that case the line would've been constantly on top in the article, like the current year is below it, but it isn't. While high it intermingles with the other lines, and is nowhere as much an outlier.

Also 2014 seems to've been more ice due to record snowfall, which is easier to freeze than the regular freezing of the sea. Seems to be in line with climate models predicting more erratic weather. Good example of why they weren't worried about that, since it's expected, but worried about this, since it isn't.

Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by nxm »

wallhack wrote: post #33

Vote out any policy maker who impedes the response to climate change. This is not something we fix as individuals, with feel-good home solutions, recycling, or planting trees. Large industry is destroying our world, on purpose, because of greed. This only gets fixed through policy and regulation. Vote.

How do I vote out Chinese and Indian policy makers where bulk of coal power plants are continuing to be built?

Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

Rnonymous wrote: post #55
unpopular42 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Could you elaborate on your world view or are you just trolling? Progress and capitalism optimize for value or $, and have no attention for the environmental cost as long as those are not put into regulations. You don't agree with that?

Capitalism could work, if the framework was setup to allocate the environmental impact to the company using that resource.

A 'credit' system worked to stop NOX and Acid Rain, no reason it couldn't be used to reduce CO2.

Have to separate "Capitalism" the concept, from the "I'm changing the rules just for me to profit".

"Capitalism" can work well with regulations. The people that are against regulations are not "pro-Capitalism", they are "pro-Greed". Nothing in capitalism says you can't have regulations to prevent things society doesn't wan to happen.

Just current interpretation of capitalism is wrong.

Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by Temporary_31337 »

edhelas wrote: post #10
mg wrote: post #5

Could we breed trees which capture more CO2? We increased crop yields multifold already: https://ourworldindata.org/crop-yields So maybe we can do the same to carbon yield? Are trees the plants which capture most CO2 per hectare?

STOP thinking that planting trees will solve the problem. We need to plan _forests_ not trees. Trees are not tools to fix our CO2 problem, we need to restore ecosystems and think how we can regrow forests and not monocultures of a "super CO2 capture tree". When we will start to understand that one problem != one solution, especially when it comes to things as intricate and complex than ecosystems we will start to und…

Also thinking about only the CO2 is such a narrow thing. We’ve disturbed natural ecosystems in so many ways- bees pollination, animal migration, natural predators and so on.

Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

tarokun-io wrote: post #58
fsloth wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with most of what you wrote above. The ludicrous amount of resources used for growing animals for food is totally non-value adding and harmful to the environment as a whole. That said I'm not a vegetarian - my diet is based on industrila logistics - I eat the protein that the supermarket logistics chain provide to our neighbourhood. "The only realistic way out of it is immediate phase-out of fossil fuels and…

> That said I'm not a vegetarian - my diet is based on industrila logistics - I eat the protein that the supermarket logistics chain provide to our neighbourhood. Directly associating “protein” with animal products and implicitly assuming protein is something we should be at all worried about when there hasn’t been a report of “protein deficiency” ever are a big part of the problem. I can’t assume this is your case b…

But, Mey gains bro, I'm bulking up, need that protein bro.

Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

mywacaday wrote: post #21
mg wrote: post #5

Could we breed trees which capture more CO2? We increased crop yields multifold already: https://ourworldindata.org/crop-yields So maybe we can do the same to carbon yield? Are trees the plants which capture most CO2 per hectare?

There's part of me thinks just let the worst happen and let it end half of humanity, that way we might learn to live more in harmony with our environment. Currently we're a pox on this planet.

Pox?

Or an invasive species without a natural predator.

Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by RandomLensman »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #63
Rnonymous wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate on your world view or are you just trolling? Progress and capitalism optimize for value or $, and have no attention for the environmental cost as long as those are not put into regulations. You don't agree with that?

Capitalism could work, if the framework was setup to allocate the environmental impact to the company using that resource. A 'credit' system worked to stop NOX and Acid Rain, no reason it couldn't be used to reduce CO2. Have to separate "Capitalism" the concept, from the "I'm changing the rules just for me to profit". "Capitalism" can work well with regulations. The people that are against regulations are not "pro-Ca…

Don't know about everywhere, but in Europe acid rain got stopped by direct regulation, not a credit framework.

Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by RandomLensman »

wallhack wrote: post #33

Vote out any policy maker who impedes the response to climate change. This is not something we fix as individuals, with feel-good home solutions, recycling, or planting trees. Large industry is destroying our world, on purpose, because of greed. This only gets fixed through policy and regulation. Vote.

Large industry keeps a lot if people alive and provides abundance of a sort - nothing wrong with that. Mixing fighting climate change with some redesign of societies and creating the "new human" is an unproductive move, I think.

Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

tarokun-io wrote: post #58
fsloth wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with most of what you wrote above. The ludicrous amount of resources used for growing animals for food is totally non-value adding and harmful to the environment as a whole. That said I'm not a vegetarian - my diet is based on industrila logistics - I eat the protein that the supermarket logistics chain provide to our neighbourhood. "The only realistic way out of it is immediate phase-out of fossil fuels and…

> That said I'm not a vegetarian - my diet is based on industrila logistics - I eat the protein that the supermarket logistics chain provide to our neighbourhood. Directly associating “protein” with animal products and implicitly assuming protein is something we should be at all worried about when there hasn’t been a report of “protein deficiency” ever are a big part of the problem. I can’t assume this is your case b…

there hasn’t been a report of “protein deficiency” ever

There definitely is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwashiorkor

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