Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office” • Hacker News Board

Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”

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Post by dnfjficiv » Sat, Sep 16, 2023, 10:29 AM UTC

monooso wrote: post #49

flakeoil wrote: post #37

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Stolen? You were paid for and took the job you knew was a certain distance and commute away from your home. I believe employees have to start to get used to being paid less when working remote. People who work in an office or factory have to be rewarded for this commute. Some jobs cannot be made remote. I assume a lot of people working remote also like the fact that they can do the laundry, clean the house, do some e…

I agree that some jobs can't be remote, but that doesn't apply to the majority of tech jobs (and therefore HN readers). Most of the people here (and at Salesforce) are paid, in theory at least, according to their skillset and the value they bring to a company. Why should that pay differ depending on where someone is sitting when they deliver said value?

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Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”

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Post by seydor » Sat, Sep 16, 2023, 10:33 AM UTC

rjh29 wrote: post #31

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #11

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I think more remote is inevitable. Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute. Remote is better for the environment too.

Idk I loved my hour of walking every day. My mental health tanked when I became full remote.

Our cities are so badly designed that we need an office as excuse to walk

Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”

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Post by dunefox » Sat, Sep 16, 2023, 10:40 AM UTC

rjh29 wrote: post #31

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #11

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I think more remote is inevitable. Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute. Remote is better for the environment too.

Idk I loved my hour of walking every day. My mental health tanked when I became full remote.

You do realise that your employer does not own the outside and walking isn't only unlocked after clocking in at the office, right? Right?

Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”

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Post by dunefox » Sat, Sep 16, 2023, 10:41 AM UTC

Gigachad wrote: post #58

WeylandYutani wrote: post #27

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A train that has seats left in rush hour? I envy you.

I either leave slightly earlier and beat rush hour, or even if I don’t, I can still use my phone standing.

Wow, that sounds fantastic! \s

Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”

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Post by prmoustache » Sat, Sep 16, 2023, 10:56 AM UTC

Recently someone posted an office etiquette post on our intranet, citing all you should do or avoid so that your coworkers can work and focus comfortably.

The person posting it probably though it was helpful, but it was just showing how an hell of a place offices have become since they went the open space route.

Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”

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Post by sshine » Sat, Sep 16, 2023, 11:05 AM UTC

prmoustache wrote: post #65

Recently someone posted an office etiquette post on our intranet, citing all you should do or avoid so that your coworkers can work and focus comfortably. The person posting it probably though it was helpful, but it was just showing how an hell of a place offices have become since they went the open space route.

I’d like a good write-up. My current boss has this tendency to interrupt anyone when he is not doing something, let daily stand-ups go into 30-40 minutes, and ask everyone to gather for spontaneous group meetings regardless of their ability to contribute or how important their current task is. I’m not very good at phrasing this criticism positively, and while I have addressed some of them, little has happened. I try to educate myself to become a better leader, and I only want to help him do the same.

Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”

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Post by rjh29 » Sat, Sep 16, 2023, 11:08 AM UTC

dunefox wrote: post #63

rjh29 wrote: post #31

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Idk I loved my hour of walking every day. My mental health tanked when I became full remote.

You do realise that your employer does not own the outside and walking isn't only unlocked after clocking in at the office, right? Right?

No I hadn't realised that. Thanks!

Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”

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Post by rjh29 » Sat, Sep 16, 2023, 11:09 AM UTC

formerly_proven wrote: post #34

rjh29 wrote: post #31

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Idk I loved my hour of walking every day. My mental health tanked when I became full remote.

- "my employer needs to force me to touch grass or I will literally go insane"

People get really defensive about remote work I guess? It wasn't just walking, there was also social isolation and being excluded that made it unbearable. And no real boundary between work and home. If you're doing an hour driving every day I can see why you'd prefer remote though.

Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”

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Post by rjh29 » Sat, Sep 16, 2023, 11:10 AM UTC

lpapez wrote: post #33

rjh29 wrote: post #31

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Idk I loved my hour of walking every day. My mental health tanked when I became full remote.

You can walk even without going to work fyi.

I did, but the enforced boundary between work and home is very important to me.

Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”

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Post by john_the_writer » Sat, Sep 16, 2023, 11:18 AM UTC

rjh29 wrote: post #31

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #11

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I think more remote is inevitable. Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute. Remote is better for the environment too.

Idk I loved my hour of walking every day. My mental health tanked when I became full remote.

I take my dogs for a walk every morning. I've worked from home for 10 years, and almost never miss a walk.