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"Cannabis Use Disorder", not "Cannabis use". The appropriate title is "Cannabis Use Disorder and Subsequent Risk of Psychotic and Nonpsychotic Unipolar Depression and Bipolar Disorder".

They love to tack on syllables as if it will be more P.C. than "pot abuse"

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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I just quit weed after getting addicted for almost 2 years. There is a large community of people who are trying to quit: /r/leaves The article is nothing new to me. Read a few posts from the subreddit and you'd see a pattern. Three weeks ago, I was pro-weed recreation legalization. Today, I'm strongly anti recreation use. Edit: I'm not against decriminalization of weed. I'm highly against pro-recreational use. I'm ag…

With all due respect, your inability to use marijuana responsibly should not make my responsible marijuana usage illegal.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like society has trouble facing the truth about one of it’s popular vices. The empirical evidence is overwhelming that there are very serious public health issues, yet so many people have an extremely biased vested interest in either continuing their vice, profiting from others, or simply getting votes. It will probably go down in 20 years as a disgraceful period of denialism, the promotion and legalization and…

Maybe I’m just biased because I’m from an area where they grew a lot of weed before legalization anyhow, but I don’t know that the youths are consuming any more cannabis (or that a larger proportion of them do it) now. It was already there, readily available, and highly prized amongst the same kind of people 20 or 30 years ago. So to me, the major difference is…how bad they’re made to feel about their drug of choice,…

Potency continues to increase and the message being heard by the general population is that cannabis is “safe”, that’s why it’s increasing legal. My own children believe “it has medical purposes”. The billboards and advertisements also convey this message.

This idea cannabis has “health” benefits is beyond absurd.

Unfortunately it will trigger and already has a serious mental health epidemic society wide.

Sometimes, actually frequently, the empirical realities are hard for societies to accept rationally.

Users all enjoy it. Businesses profit from it. Governments collect tax revenue. Politicians collect votes and support.

It’s like pollution or other externalities, this one the cost being numerous lives ruined with schizophrenia etc.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure let’s please do the same for alcohol and caffeine.

What is the health justification for banning caffeine?

I was going over the top because gp is insinuating a moral argument rather than a health argument based on their interpretation of a bad headline. Cannabis Use Disorder is not the same as occasionally puffing a doobie with Alice on the weekend.

> Caffeine starts off as a physical addiction unlike marijuana. Caffeine also does not require a lot of use from the substance in order to become physically addicted, unlike marijuana. When both substances are consumed in large amounts both have equally terrible withdrawal effects.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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I can't see the full study methodology without an account. That said… The challenge with running studies ethically is that you can't split your test groups into two groups and somehow induce cannabis use disorder and see if major depression, bipolar, etc results from it. Rather, you can see if the people who naturally develop the disorder also have those problems. The flaw in this reasoning is that people who develop…

Isn't it possible to distinguish casuality between A and B from correlation by simply considering set sizes? !A & B A & !B A & B !A & !B A B !A !B

Could you explain which distributions you think are correlation and which are causation?

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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I can't see the full study methodology without an account. That said… The challenge with running studies ethically is that you can't split your test groups into two groups and somehow induce cannabis use disorder and see if major depression, bipolar, etc results from it. Rather, you can see if the people who naturally develop the disorder also have those problems. The flaw in this reasoning is that people who develop…

Isn't it possible to distinguish casuality between A and B from correlation by simply considering set sizes? !A & B A & !B A & B !A & !B A B !A !B

no?

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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post #2

"Cannabis Use Disorder", not "Cannabis use". The appropriate title is "Cannabis Use Disorder and Subsequent Risk of Psychotic and Nonpsychotic Unipolar Depression and Bipolar Disorder".

They love to tack on syllables as if it will be more P.C. than "pot abuse"

No, "cannabis use disorder" does not seem to be a medical euphemism for any consumption of cannabis at all.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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A few months ago, we had a support group going at my clinic, with several patients with various diagnoses which are not directly discussed. We also had a presentation on sleep hygiene by a visiting psychiatrist. One of the newer support group members was openly promoting his love of smoking a joint and a cigarette and chilling out in the morning, and the psychiatrist said "cool, you do you!"

Then the next week, the clinician leader of the support group laid down a few ground rules for the new members, one of them being "if you show up while you're high, then you'll be gone just as quickly".

So I think it's safe to say that there is a range of opinions and attitudes among clinical professionals.

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