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iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Post by chiefalchemist »

scarface_74 wrote: post #54
chiefalchemist wrote: post #4

> The idea of a pocketable thin client model of computing where you basically take your PC with you wherever you go, and plug it into accessories including displays and input devices that can work with any wherever you need, has been around for a long time. But an iPhone 15 sporting a full-featured USB-C port with the capabilities of the latest Thunderbolt spec has no technical barriers toward making it actually happ…

> So in theory someone can make an iPad sized touchscreen that connects to your iPhone via USB-C and you'd have no need for an iPad? Or course such a screen could be shared within a household, etc. I have a non touch screen monitor similar to this - power and video over a single USB C port. It works with both my personal Macbook and my work Windows computer. It should work with an iPad Pro with USB C. https://a.co/d/…

Yeah I have a small backpackable external screen as well. But if it could do touch then my phone can act as tablet. My use case would be reading ebooks.

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

scarface_74 wrote: post #50
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #39

The forced shift to USB-C is indisputably a win for consumers. Well done EU. The strangest thing has been all the people whining and claiming this stifles innovation. It doesn't.

Seeing that when the EU first wanted this they wanted to force everyone to use micro USB, what happens when someone wants to invent a better standard?

The legislation gets amended. Simple.

Ideally, the legislation gets amended to that there can be a review process every X amount of years.

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Post by layer8 »

ballenf wrote: post #33

Apple will take the approach theorized here when it can be done wirelessly. Bring your phone close to a "Magic Monitor" and the desktop experience starts instantly. The change of plug shape is irrelevant to whether this paradigm shift happens inside Apple, but Apple is better positioned than any other device maker to accomplish it if they focused on it.

Why would they do this if they can sell you a more expensive iMac instead? Plus the iCloud subscription to sync all your data between the two?

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

kalleboo wrote: post #17
eviks wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are things people say and then there are things people do

Steve Jobs is dead.

What the user probably means is that just because he said this publicly doesn't mean he meant it. Steve Jobs was great at marketing and was well informed on what potential buyers wanted to hear.

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Post by layer8 »

scarface_74 wrote: post #50
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #39

The forced shift to USB-C is indisputably a win for consumers. Well done EU. The strangest thing has been all the people whining and claiming this stifles innovation. It doesn't.

Seeing that when the EU first wanted this they wanted to force everyone to use micro USB, what happens when someone wants to invent a better standard?

The technical-specification part of the law is placed in an annex for easy modification. Big-tech lobbyism will have no difficulty to effect an update when they can present genuine improvements.

Will a solo player be able to use their own tech instead of USB-C? No, but that’s the price to pay for interoperability. It’s a trade-off.

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Post by cfjgvjh »

NietTim wrote: post #40
rffn wrote: post #9

Apple would cannibalize their computer and iPad sales if they were supporting the thin client model like Samsung DeX. See how they already avoid cannibalization of the iPhone business by preventing the iPad to make phone calls. They protect their product lines from each other. As much as I like to see such a feature, I don’t think Apple will ever give it to us.

For this reason I've been, naively, patiently waiting for the first "m1 ipad" to run full mac os trough jailbreaking or something

Native Apple support of the MacOS on the iPad would be really cool, though I suppose it'd never happen considering just how awful the mouse on iPad experience is. It's astonishing compared to how just about everyone loves the trackpad feel on MacOS.

It just makes me sad that I have so much computing power in such a small form factor, and software just gimps it, both in capability and experience.

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Post by pmx »

criddell wrote: post #51
jabroni_salad wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DeX lets you connect your phone to a docking station. You get a fairly basic windowed desktop experience. I actually use it to run citrix receiver and connect to the corporate network. hardly ever bring my work laptop home anymore.

Is it way different than using an iPad with an external monitor, keyboard, mouse, disk, midi controller, etc...? Is the key distinction that it's on a phone rather than a tablet?

Dex gives you a "proper" multi-window desktop with things like a start button, task bar, system bar, etc. It's very different to the iPad experience when the iPad is connected to a display and peripherals and much better.

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Post by bane »

criddell wrote: post #51
jabroni_salad wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DeX lets you connect your phone to a docking station. You get a fairly basic windowed desktop experience. I actually use it to run citrix receiver and connect to the corporate network. hardly ever bring my work laptop home anymore.

Is it way different than using an iPad with an external monitor, keyboard, mouse, disk, midi controller, etc...? Is the key distinction that it's on a phone rather than a tablet?

Yes in the sense that it gives you a mouse/keyboard windowed experience instead of a touch-optimized one with a mouse cursor.

You also still get to use the phone/tablet at the same time while it's driving the desktop.

Of course you're still using Android apps, just inside of resizable, movable windows, and not all apps behave well or work as well with mouse/keyboard as you might like.

But you can install linux shells, remote desktop apps, etc, and basically just use it as a thin-client.

There's also a way you can use Dex inside of a window on Windows and it let you drive your phone without actually touching it or doing some weird remote access stuff to your phone.

Dex is kind of a hidden gem of the Samsung devices. Once you hook up a dock with some I/O it's basically just turns your Android device into a desktop computer.

https://youtu.be/0FfH51xgQDU

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Post by input_sh »

ojosilva wrote: post #21
input_sh wrote: post #5

How does the author make the logical leap from "it'll use Type C" to "it'll have Samsung DeX equivalent"? I think it's too much of a gimmick for Apple to even try, plus Apple is really not known for giving a damn about making their products work well with third-party peripherals.

The article mentions that iPhone Pro and Pro Max will have a Thunderbolt port. A Thunderbolt 4 port means double the speed of USB-C, 40Gbps instead of 20Gbps. There's plenty of powerful and legacy hardware that runs on Thunderbolt, like dual 4k monitors, so basically it's about hooking up an assortment of peripherals to an iPhone via docking stations, hubs or bare Thunderbolt. The only limitation is what you can do w…

I don't disagree with you that they have the necessary bits and pieces if they wanted to go down that road, but based on their past behavior I just don't see that happening.

They've removed Type A while Type C peripherals were basically non-existent, I still can't have reverse scroll direction on my mouse and my touchpad (without using a third-party app), I can't create workspaces with a four finger swipe on an external monitor (but I can on the internal monitor)... My point being that they do the barest of the minimums on a Macbook, so I find the idea of them going all-in on supporting peripherals on an iPhone rather silly.

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Post by criddell »

jabroni_salad wrote: post #59
criddell wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it way different than using an iPad with an external monitor, keyboard, mouse, disk, midi controller, etc...? Is the key distinction that it's on a phone rather than a tablet?

In terms of hardware, yes. In terms of software, no. Last time I tried that with an iPad you did not get a true windowed DE. It was okay if you wanted one big app and one sidebar app and a lot of context switching.

For better or worse, iPadOS is moving more in that direction for sure.

https://www.theverge.com/23787477/apple-ipados-17-stage-mana...

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