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Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by bad_user »

NotSuspicious wrote: post #28
rfrey wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must be mistaken, but your comment really sounds like you're blaming Twitter's revenue problems -- easily explained by mismanagement -- on an all powerful cabal of Jews.

More like an institution that defames organizations, took until 2007 to recognize the Armenian Genocide and is propped up by an Apartheid State. Admittedly, their point is an oversimplification (X has many problems), but it's dishonest to equate criticism of the ADL to "the Jews run the world".

It's not dishonest, because the accusation that Twitter has lost its ads revenue due to ADL is bollocks. And when such accusations are so unreasonable, given everything else that happened (e.g., Twitter's workforce plummeting, unblocking far right accounts, or Elon Musk not able to keep his mouth shut), one has to consider antisemitism.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by Angostura »

actuator wrote: post #15

Not that it justifies the deletion, I wonder how a state sponsored propaganda outlet came to be regarded well among global audiences. It would be interesting to read up on what they have done to garner that image.

> I wonder how a state sponsored propaganda outlet came to be regarded well among global audiences.

Speaking personally, as an ex-journalist I found their English-language coverage generally to be pretty well-balanced and well reported - so that's probably why. And I came to them with a pretty sceptical eye. I've heard that their arabic language stories are rather different - but I don't have a way of checking that for myself.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by bigDinosaur »

thiago_fm wrote: post #58
actuator wrote: post #15

Not that it justifies the deletion, I wonder how a state sponsored propaganda outlet came to be regarded well among global audiences. It would be interesting to read up on what they have done to garner that image.

Al Jazeera is really reliable, much more than American media companies. People should first do research on this, before they start spreading those BS ideas. Since 9/11 Americans can't trust anything with an "arabic background", they are constantly bombarded by the media, so they can't ever discover that the middle east is much more than a place with oil or "weapons of mass destruction". Al Jazeera hires top journalis…

Allegedly Al Jazeera English is much more reasonable and balanced than Arabic Al Jazeera. Unfortunately that's a claim that basically relies on trust - i.e. an Arabic speaker with cultural knowledge willing to be unbiased in their analysis. I suspect it is true though, Qatar is not a pleasant country and certainly not a democracy.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by SenAnder »

throwaway914 wrote: post #19

I know I'm naive: I don't understand why US companies are so sensitive to respecting Israel. I don't know why our gov is so sensitive to this either. Israel - like all countries - deserves criticism, no? This can't purely be about respecting the billions spent on US weapons to defend Israel, right? I genuinely do not understand, because I think they'd happily buy from the military anyway.

Part of the answer is simply that a large fraction of the US government is Jewish. E.g. according to the White House, their staff (everything from stenographers and secretaries, to labor relations representatives and foreign policy experts) is 32% Jewish (2.4% of US population), 44% ethnic minority (about even with US), and 24% non-Jewish White (55% of US)

Sources: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36119693

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by hhh »

Ygg2 wrote: post #25
meepmorp wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying the only plausible explanation is, "the Jews?"

No. Where did you hallucinate me saying that? According to Elon it's just the ADL lobbied hard in US & EU.

And why did they lobby? It’s not like Twitter has become some utopia since he bought it. It’s gone to shit and is increasingly filled with a huge amount of racist and antisemitic sentiment. After that, there’s (exaggerated) a billion crypto scams.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by tohnjitor »

blueflow wrote: post #24
tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is. Computer nerds undeniably buy into anti-Semitic conspiracies more than other conspiracies because of the amount of peddling they get in silly 4chan et al culture.

Thats why i'm asking for evidence

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1699472464076525970

It's not the first time the ADL has lead a pressure campaign on advertisers of a social media company. They did the something similar with Facebook in 2020.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/06/29/adl-ceo-facebook-adver...

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by pydry »

throwaway914 wrote: post #19

I know I'm naive: I don't understand why US companies are so sensitive to respecting Israel. I don't know why our gov is so sensitive to this either. Israel - like all countries - deserves criticism, no? This can't purely be about respecting the billions spent on US weapons to defend Israel, right? I genuinely do not understand, because I think they'd happily buy from the military anyway.

The Israel lobby is incredibly powerful and well funded. They have a lot of money to throw around, much of which they throw at the US Government, which is consequently filled with their supporters. US companies know this and tread carefully.

They've weaponized anti-semitism against their detractors. And, who wants to be accused of racism? Even false accusations stain your reputation.

The irony is that it's probably one of the most racist countries I've ever seen in my entire life. They made a shrine to a terrorist (Baruch Goldstein). The president proudly called miscegenation "a tragedy". If you can imagine a white US president openly calling for whites and blacks to stop having babies - that's the level of racism this state's supporters endorse when weaponizing anti semitism.

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Post by weatherlite »

thiago_fm wrote: post #58
actuator wrote: post #15

Not that it justifies the deletion, I wonder how a state sponsored propaganda outlet came to be regarded well among global audiences. It would be interesting to read up on what they have done to garner that image.

Al Jazeera is really reliable, much more than American media companies. People should first do research on this, before they start spreading those BS ideas. Since 9/11 Americans can't trust anything with an "arabic background", they are constantly bombarded by the media, so they can't ever discover that the middle east is much more than a place with oil or "weapons of mass destruction". Al Jazeera hires top journalis…

> They are just very concerned when talking about Qatar,

Doesn't seem like the sign of a good news org if you can't say a word of criticism about the country you're headquartered at. Makes me wonder what else is rotten in there, how can we know the rules of the country aren't dictating a bunch of other stuff to the news? News should be as independent as possible.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by blueflow »

sek wrote: post #54
rfrey wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must be mistaken, but your comment really sounds like you're blaming Twitter's revenue problems -- easily explained by mismanagement -- on an all powerful cabal of Jews.

You are totally right, the whole statement is ironically antisemitism here on Hacker News: Facebook/Mark Zuckerberg and Israel.... what is the connection. It's clear the poster is on X/Twitter and you can see what Elons behaviour perpetuates. Elon Musk doesn't know how the advertising business works, get's rid of moderation and let's banned people back. Which obviously leads to an increase of antisemitism on Twitter…

You talk about Elon and Twitter users like some specific people talk about Soros and the Jews. Both are a form of blaming groups of people for some random, different person deeds. Not acceptable.

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Post by Ygg2 »

bad_user wrote: post #35
Ygg2 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it explain why it fell in US and EU, but not Asia?

Twitter's ad revenue plunged due to mismanagement and current economic conditions. Lest we forget, when Musk took over, the workforce dropped by 80%, which meant, first of all, that a lot of advertisers lost over night their contacts at Twitter. And while moderation may have stayed in place, Elon Musk also started unblocking far-right accounts and he can't keep his mouth shut. I can't speak for Asia, but multinationa…

Fair points, but I sense a discrepancy. If multinationals are leaving X in droves, why wouldn't they leave it in Asia?
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