Classic line from Hackers.
That movie changed my life trajectory 20 years ago.
Snoop unto them as they snoop unto you
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Re: Snoop unto them as they snoop unto you
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
But this doesn't invalidate the OP's point... regardless of how reasonable you believe a change in speed limit to be, you're still obligated to follow it, and if you don't then you might get a ticket. And it's not like these changes are unannounced; there is a sign for every time it changes. Surely if you're going to listen to some "speed trap detecting" contraption, you could also look at the signs that announce the…
The argument is not that the law isn’t technically followable. The argument is that the law is not based on safety and is capricious and designed to catch and fine people, which could justify ways of avoiding getting caught.
The argument from OP was:
> the odds you get a ticket from a hidden camera are very low if you just respect the speed limits
And the comment I was responding to was about how speed limits are unreasonable. So I maintain that the comment did not refute OP's point. The reasonableness of the speed limits is irrelevant to whether or not you get fewer tickets when you drive below the posted speed limit.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Many speed limits are set lower than they need to be. Sounds like you are a qualified expert and know more about road design, traffic flow and pedestrian safety than those doing the job now. Clearly you need to apply for a position so you can right these so obvious wrongs. Please, don’t pretend you can do the job better than qualified experts
In many cases those experts are quite dumb and speed limits are arbitrary. You can see it most clearly in Europe where different countries have set different speed limits for similar road conditions. For example in one country the speed limit in highway tunnels is 80 km/h, but in others 90 km/h while the width of the road is similar, or even mostly wider where the limit is lower. The same kind of highway can have 30…
In France, some *départements* adopted the 80km/h limitation while some other kept the 90km/h one, this has to deal with a compromise between safety, co2 emissions and current road behavior and population requirements. So maybe for each country, before experts gave roads their current speed limitations, the way the population drove was taken into account by those experts or was taken into account *in place* of experts analysis, in order for the limitations to be a negotiation/compromise between current habits and experts analysis, in the best cases, and only an affirmation of the population *sentiment* in the worst cases.
The problem is not the road experts analysis in EU, but the political decision to apply or not the analysis, and the population refus to follow the limitations.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would argue that general population disagrees with this. +/- 20% tolerance is completely acceptable.
20% means you drive at 80 in a 65. That is in no way acceptable.
For sure it is. Have you never been outside your city?
There's stretches of flat, straight-ish interstate in the US that continue for dozens of miles with near-perfect visibility. Sometimes, there's no traffic. Go 120 for all I care, just slow down when you're near something.
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#65I always wanted something to watch where their unmarked cars are. Speed traps are the worst.
I'd argue speeding is even worse, but to each their own.
I used to get tickets for speeding. These days I let Autopilot set the speed and just chill. I'm not as concerned with passing or being passed when I've delegated the accelerator, and the trip time difference is negligible.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. Many speed limits are set lower than they need to be. On many roads, including freeways, the average speed of traffic is higher than the speed limit. Driving the speed limit on these freeways is dangerous. Additionally, many speedometers read slightly higher than the actual speed. Driving the exact speed limit on many roads as shown by your speedometer means you are actually driving quite slow. Repecting the spe…
> Many speed limits are set lower than they need to be. ...the only correct response to which is to contact the state government and complain while continuing to respect the law. Breaking the law while remaining silent is diametrically opposed to the democratic system that the US, at least, aspires to. > need to be ...oh, and vehicle inefficiency increases superlinearly with speed[1]. Until the majority of the vehicl…
> the only correct response to which is to contact the state government and complain
At least here in Australia, you'll be completely ignored. Been there and tried it. Doesn't work, at least not as individuals. ;)
Re: Snoop unto them as they snoop unto you
#67I feel it should have been "Snoop upon them as they snoop upon you"
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Many speed limits are set lower than they need to be. Sounds like you are a qualified expert and know more about road design, traffic flow and pedestrian safety than those doing the job now. Clearly you need to apply for a position so you can right these so obvious wrongs. Please, don’t pretend you can do the job better than qualified experts
Can you give proof that these limits are set by "experts", what makes them experts? What are their qualifications?
Probably useful to also have access to their tests + test data as well. We've probably all heard stories about corruption between the manufacturers of speed cameras and various public utilities.
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#69Re: Snoop unto them as they snoop unto you
#70I feel it should have been "Snoop upon them as they snoop upon you"
This is a parallel of the common biblical translation "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" (Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12).