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Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Ironic that the last screen wants you to 'drop a comment' on LinkedIn... or even signup for the mailing list 'with Google'.

I guess this guy thought knocking Apple for Meta's unscrupulous methods would just guarantee some nerd-kudos, but didn't feel any need to follow his own advice in practice.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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post #21

This article seems to conflate Apple for Meta's privacy violations. Yes, the OS can always make it more difficult to do fingerprinting and the app store could add even more "privacy warnings", but in the end if you use a privacy violating third party app they will always find ways to slurp up all your data. Using this as some kind of argument that Apple doesn't care about privacy is dishonest.

The OS is the layer below applications. They obviously can control what data is being sent.

Now perhaps that our software model doesn't make it very convenient, but blaming Apple is completely honest and understandable.

We should stop seeing our computers as uncontrollable machines that must leak data, they are human made

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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post #55
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And uh. Let be honest with ourselves here. Our alternative is currently android. So instead of meta slurping up all your shit, google vacuums it all up and then some, and lets even more of it trickle in to meta.

Unless you go the custom ROM + microG option that 98% of folks would never do… or you embrace the Linux phone OS which has no ‘apps’ (like that banking app that banned you for rooting your other Linux (Android) phone) & the telephony barely works if it even does. This duopoly sucks.

98%? 100% effectively.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder what it will take for people to finally get fed up with creepy advertising companies. As long as people get "free stuff" people won't get fed up.

What "free stuff" is OP getting from Target and CVS in exchange for the data they are collecting and sharing? Nothing. We're already not getting free stuff and people still aren't fed up.

Admittedly, Target gives 5% off to RedCard members. So I should know going in that they’re going to want more than my “loyalty”.

I suppose that’s the loyalty pact customers are agreeing to. They agree to continue patronizing a business after that business flies behind their back to tell everyone what, when, and where they’re doing in their store.

However, if they’re not tracking you with a loyalty card, they’re still tracking you with your normal CC (Walmart has some messed up integrations with third parties around media purchases). Cash, privacy masks, sporadic gate changes, faraday bags, and gloves may be the only way to get around tracking at the moment ;-)

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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post #41
post #21

This article seems to conflate Apple for Meta's privacy violations. Yes, the OS can always make it more difficult to do fingerprinting and the app store could add even more "privacy warnings", but in the end if you use a privacy violating third party app they will always find ways to slurp up all your data. Using this as some kind of argument that Apple doesn't care about privacy is dishonest.

And uh. Let be honest with ourselves here. Our alternative is currently android. So instead of meta slurping up all your shit, google vacuums it all up and then some, and lets even more of it trickle in to meta.

You can also just not use any Meta apps. It won't completely prevent Meta from building a shadow profile on you, but it'll help.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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post #41
post #21

This article seems to conflate Apple for Meta's privacy violations. Yes, the OS can always make it more difficult to do fingerprinting and the app store could add even more "privacy warnings", but in the end if you use a privacy violating third party app they will always find ways to slurp up all your data. Using this as some kind of argument that Apple doesn't care about privacy is dishonest.

And uh. Let be honest with ourselves here. Our alternative is currently android. So instead of meta slurping up all your shit, google vacuums it all up and then some, and lets even more of it trickle in to meta.

Don't you need to use Google on Android for them to even have your data? I've seen this propagated, but I havent experienced it.

Anyway, in the decade of using android, I am not sure what privacy has compromised. I havent received any custom ads from just using my phone.

If I search stuff on the official google search, yes I do, but if I use incognito, I do not. (For instance, I like seeing sports scores occasionally, but if I search it with google, I'm bombarded about sports).

Google search isnt Android though.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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I think it's unfair to compare Facebook actively screwing us to Apple not adopting your proposed metric on their product and passively allowing a very popular app in their app store. Not a huge fan of Apple, but they aren't Facebook.

>Not a huge fan of Apple, but they aren't Facebook.

Not a Fan of Facebook, but Facebook never claimed to be the defender of Fundamental Human Right or the Guardian of Privacy.

Some people like to label them as evil or the less of evil. I like to label them as evil and hypocrite.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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post #32

Apple's core incentives are misaligned with stealing your data. And that's why they are more trustworthy than facebook. It's that simple. Apple is first and foremost a lifestyle company, then a b2b platform company, then a hardware company. The lifestyle company ensures customer acquisition and the 'unreasonable' pricing . The platform company is the revenue, the moat and the golden handcuffs for every 3rd party comp…

>I trust Apple not because they're good. But because selling your data hurts their bottomline. Trust capitalistic incentives and teack records, everything else is virtue signalling.

For this same reason I don't trust Apple.

They cut corners on quality and people literally died because of it(Pegasus).

I'd have a hard time trusting Apple since they have literally a black box only they have the key to. At least with a FOSS OS, you can look at the code.

But really, I can't buy iPhones because I hold a secret on my phone that is too valuable.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to say, nobody believes in any privacy Meta alleges. Even when they do E2EE they still collect anything else about you that they can.

Nobody believes anything Meta or Google have to say about privacy. Google is currently trying to sell additional ways to spy on users built into the newest version of Chrome as a "privacy sandbox". > all of Google's documentation about this feature feels like it was written on opposite day, with Google calling the browser-based advertising platform "a significant step on the path towards a fundamentally more private…

Who brought google up? They aren’t relevant to the discussion.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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post #28

You don't expect your health data, financial data and purchase history (does that include anything paid for by Apple pay?) to be shared with Meta just because you are trying out Threads.

This kind of blew my mind.

People get soo invested in Apple's Walled Ecosystem. Imagine in 10 years, they flip on a dime and start selling your info.

1 company has health, finance, search/URL history, emails, all pictures ever, etc...

Yikes times 100.

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