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Re: Kagi Small Web

#61

Post by lukas099 » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:28 PM UTC

tstrimple wrote: post #43

packetlost wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ability to block SEO garbage sites like GeeksForGeeks and not filling the first 3-5 results with ads is worth it alone. Not to mention the ability to boost certain sites results over others on a personalized level. Unfortunately for me, I end up regularly going over the "Pro" tier of searches a month (partially because I accidentally search all the time, but also I'm heavy search-engine user) is a bit of a letdow…

> I end up regularly going over the "Pro" tier of searches a month (partially because I accidentally search all the time, but also I'm heavy search-engine user) is a bit of a letdown. I hadn't considered this aspect of Kagi yet. I'm not a subscriber at this point, but I am strongly considering it. But I use search instead of typing domain names directly to avoid the typo phishing style attacks. I wonder how much "art…

Additional searches above your tier are not expensive, 1.5 cents I believe. And there is an unlimited tier.

Re: Kagi Small Web

#62

Post by sergiosgc » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:29 PM UTC

freediver wrote: post #2

Vlad from Kagi here, thanks for posting. The RSS feed unexpectedly broke (edit: the feed is back up! [3]) just as we published the blog post, in the true spirt of "small web" :) Should be up in 30 minutes which will enable the site to function too (it uses the same feed). This has been a personal pet project of mine and I spent considerable time getting my hands dirty with the code, as the team was busy with other in…

Congratulations on the initiative. The results seem cool, and integration in the main search results may give a glimpse outside the big web.

I'm a Kagi customer, and a very happy one. The search engine is amazingly good. This only makes me happier with my search engine choice.

Re: Kagi Small Web

#63

Post by thih9 » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:32 PM UTC

jabroni_salad wrote: post #52

the smallwebsite is delightful. It reminds me of Stumbleupon, which I miss dearly. And of course it showed me Questionable Content, which I first got to via stumbleupon.

Aren't there similar services? What do you think about for example: https://cloudhiker.net/

Re: Kagi Small Web

#64

Post by freediver » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:35 PM UTC

pavlov wrote: post #59

Great initiative, but it feels like they're not quite eating their own dogfood. This post contains a link titled "highlighting blog posts from HN users" which goes to Twitter — a massive centralized social media app that's pretty much the opposite of "small web".

See my other reply to the similar comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37421871

Re: Kagi Small Web

#65

Post by mbb70 » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:40 PM UTC

freediver wrote: post #2

Vlad from Kagi here, thanks for posting. The RSS feed unexpectedly broke (edit: the feed is back up! [3]) just as we published the blog post, in the true spirt of "small web" :) Should be up in 30 minutes which will enable the site to function too (it uses the same feed). This has been a personal pet project of mine and I spent considerable time getting my hands dirty with the code, as the team was busy with other in…

FYI your "Why pay for search" and "FAQ" links on https://kagi.com/pricing are broken, perhaps another refactoring victim?

Re: Kagi Small Web

#66

Post by MatthiasPortzel » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:41 PM UTC

This sort of centralized, hand-curated list makes me nervous. The beauty of the web is that it’s open, you don’t have to “apply” or meet “criteria” for your website to viewable by other people. Obviously the status-quo (of Google Search) isn’t great, and I’m glad Kagi is trying to fix this problem. But this isn’t going to scale.

Re: Kagi Small Web

#67

Post by smallerfish » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:41 PM UTC

mgreg wrote: post #30

marginalia_nu wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kinda wish there was a sort of proper blog-DMOZ. Would make this sort of stuff a lot easier. Right now everyone and their grandma is curating their own blog list. Lots of wasted effort that could be saved by collaborating somehow.

That is a very good idea. Any thoughts as to why this hasn't happened already?

Because curation to keep spam out would be work. And how do you prevent trojan horses, where an initially promising blog is turned over to SEO once included in the official dmoz?

Could be done, but it'd take time and effort.

Re: Kagi Small Web

#68

Post by jefftk » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:42 PM UTC

It looks like you're stripping MathML out of the RSS feed -- is that intentional, or are you using an older sanitizer that doesn't recognize it? For example, my RSS feed [1] for my most recent post [2] has:

    &lt;math display=&quot;block&quot;&gt;
    &lt;msup&gt;&lt;mi&gt;e&lt;/mi&gt;
          &lt;mrow&gt;&lt;mi&gt;k&lt;/mi&gt;&lt;mi&gt;t&lt;/mi&gt;&lt;/mrow&gt;&lt;/msup&gt;
    &lt;/math&gt;

Which shows up in your RSS feed [3] as:

    e
          kt

[EDIT: filed an issue: https://github.com/kagisearch/smallweb/issues/10]

[1] https://www.jefftk.com/news.rss

[2] https://www.jefftk.com/p/weekly-incidence-vs-cumulative-infe...

[3] https://kagi.com/api/v1/smallweb/feed

Re: Kagi Small Web

#69

Post by MatthiasPortzel » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:51 PM UTC

freediver wrote: post #31

marginalia_nu wrote: post #19

Some Q:s #1 What's the rationale behind favoring recent blog updates? In my experience, recent updates make the weakest search results, more prone to updates and link breakage, and overall tend to be of lower quality. I also wonder if promoting recent content might incentivize pumping out low-quality entries to increase the odds of being listed. #2 In dabbling in the domain I've always ended up with an almost absurd…

Hey Viktor! #1 There are a couple of factors. - More recent content tends to be more relevant given the same search query, or at least its freshnes will contribute to it not being completely irrelevant (which is the worse thing you want in a search engine). The quality of it is already guaranteed to some extent by this being a curated list to begin with. - It was relatively easy to assemble and maintain the list beca…

If your goal is to encourage people to post more on blogs, why exclude all blogs created within the last 3 years?

Re: Kagi Small Web

#70

Post by freediver » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:54 PM UTC

mbb70 wrote: post #65

freediver wrote: post #2

Vlad from Kagi here, thanks for posting. The RSS feed unexpectedly broke (edit: the feed is back up! [3]) just as we published the blog post, in the true spirt of "small web" :) Should be up in 30 minutes which will enable the site to function too (it uses the same feed). This has been a personal pet project of mine and I spent considerable time getting my hands dirty with the code, as the team was busy with other in…

FYI your "Why pay for search" and "FAQ" links on https://kagi.com/pricing are broken, perhaps another refactoring victim?

Thanks, will be sorted out.