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Re: Retool AI

#61

My personal opinion (besides this constant flux of Retool product announcements) is that I truly tried and gave Retool a chance... but man, it was tough to get started, I rather just code from scratch with some boilerplate.

They also have a problematic pricing model that punishes you for having a high number of users.

Re: Retool AI

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post #51

How is it possible that Retool login page [1] loads 6.4MB of resources? The app.js [2] alone is 4.0M when loaded on local machine. Is this common? [1]: https://app.retool.com/auth/login [2]: https://retool-edge.com/app.cd90db16bade51faa017.js

That's a fair concern and something we're working on improving every day! It's fairly common when you consider Retool in the context of other development platforms. VSCode is a 200MB download and is considered small in the desktop space. Even gdocs is ~30MB. For context, these resources are cached on your machine. So you should find that the actual data transferred significantly decreases after the first visit.

> It's fairly common when you consider Retool in the context of other development platforms. VSCode is a 200MB download and is considered small in the desktop space. Even gdocs is ~30MB.

Are you even reading the parent comment? He is pointing to the login page. I don't understand the comparison with VSCode.

Re: Retool AI

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post #23

My personal opinion (besides this constant flux of Retool product announcements) is that I truly tried and gave Retool a chance... but man, it was tough to get started, I rather just code from scratch with some boilerplate.

Have you tried https://lowdefy.com ? (Shameless plug, co-founder)

looks promising, will check later

Re: Retool AI

#65
post #21

My personal opinion (besides this constant flux of Retool product announcements) is that I truly tried and gave Retool a chance... but man, it was tough to get started, I rather just code from scratch with some boilerplate.

Have you tried Windmill?

I don't understand the appeal of these tools. I've tried it, but it's a complete cognitive overload, having to learn some proprietary UI to do simple things. I don't understand why adding for-loops by pointing, clicking and entering some textbox on the side for the expression is easier than simply typing it out.

It feels like all these "low code" tools are aimed at a tiny audience of technical people who are somehow technical enough to understand these UIs, but not quite technical enough to quickly roll their scripts and prototypes out the "traditional" way.

Re: Retool AI

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post #65
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried Windmill?

I don't understand the appeal of these tools. I've tried it, but it's a complete cognitive overload, having to learn some proprietary UI to do simple things. I don't understand why adding for-loops by pointing, clicking and entering some textbox on the side for the expression is easier than simply typing it out. It feels like all these "low code" tools are aimed at a tiny audience of technical people who are somehow…

If you use Windmill's flows, you get a lot of stuff done for you, for instance caching in each step (and in the whole Flow), concurrency, retries, mocking, suspend/approval. You can also mix and match different languages (in one step you can use Python, another you can use TypeScript, etc). Afterwards, you can trigger your script/flow via POSTs, cron, via a auto-generated UI or via a custom UI.

Re: Retool AI

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post #61

My personal opinion (besides this constant flux of Retool product announcements) is that I truly tried and gave Retool a chance... but man, it was tough to get started, I rather just code from scratch with some boilerplate.

They also have a problematic pricing model that punishes you for having a high number of users.

We changed our pricing earlier this year to be a lot more affordable for use cases with high end user counts (https://retool.com/blog/pricing-v2/). Let me know if that works better for you?

If you’re looking for external apps, check out portals (https://retool.com/products/portals) that has custom volume discounts for many, many users

Re: Retool AI

#68

Okay. If it is any good , we need to create an open source and free version for the community

Excited to already see some great open source projects in this space (Langchain, Llamaindex, Axilla, etc) many of which we're exploring using for this project.

Just to be clear Retool Vectors is completely free (we're even taking on the LLM costs). We put the embeddings in a free postgres DB (and soon other open source vector DB providers) and give you the connection string so you can take it anywhere

Re: Retool AI

#69

Looks neat. Do you guys plan to allow the use of custom AI models down the road? Especially for the enterprise use case.

Yes working on adding llama2 and AWS bedrock support right now for open source models. But we also want to let users bring their own models - is there a specific model you're looking for?

Who knows longer-term I'd love to help users fine-tune their own models on llama2/gpt-3.5!

Re: Retool AI

#70
Looks awesome, congrats! Do you provide any integrations for identifying hallucinated outputs and/or showing references with the output (like Bing does)? Such a feature is critical for AI outputs, so it might be nice if it's supported out of the box.
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