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Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by dylan604 » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 7:33 PM UTC

saiya-jin wrote: post #20

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>I wholly expect everyone to clone themselves a couple of thousand times Unless each of those clones can upload the unique experiences to my original self so that the original me gains from those experiences, then what's the point of the clone? Just build a generic robot. The only caveat would be if that clone is just doing boring drone work but solely based on the abilities of the original me, but please, do not upl…

Ah, a new hardcore rigid caste system, the originals and endless clones bearing all the hard and boring part of lives... what could go wrong, right? A sidenote - if you only had cool and positive experiences in life, that would become a new baseline - everything worse would be a suffering. Not so smart approach for long term happiness. The best tasting food is after some starvation, even if its just bread... even in…

if you want to make it into a cast system, i think that says more about you than anything. i consider them much more my minions as i twirl my mustache with an sly grin

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by PartiallyTyped » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 8:12 PM UTC

Frannyies wrote: post #47

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I recommend reading grandpa Kropotkin.

I'm only finding some cartoon character. What do you reference?

"The conquest of bread" and "Mutual Aid" are classics.

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by jazzyjackson » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 8:36 PM UTC

darkclouds wrote: post #46

jazzyjackson wrote: post #13

AI risk is a spectacularization of a new source of wealth When agriculture and then fossil fuels + supercharged agriculture with petro-fertilizer allowed humanity to become 100x more productive, the owners of the land & capital managed to capture the gains almost entirely, leaving the proletariat powerless except for their labor, and still struggling to survive despite the enormous windfall in energy Now that AI is o…

Since the old stone age this planets population has been bumbling along at below 1 billion people until the 1800's. [1] And then by the 1970's they perfected the female contraceptive pill to bring the growth rate down from its peak of 2.1% to its current 1.2% and a projected 0.06% by 2100, which should see the peak population on the planet at 11 billion people. But is AI a new source of wealth? That remains to be see…

it's precisely the copyrighted aspect i'm interested in using to justify the redirection of the profits toward universal basic income - there's no way to solve the fractional royalties of how much revenue to distribute to individual contributors to the datasets; practically everyone online contributed to the datasets to some degree

Japan has issued guidance that they won't use copyright law to dampen the pace of innovation, they are giving free reign to the innovators to capture any wealth produced as a byproduct of publically available (but copyrighted) data

USA has the strongest intellectual property protections in the world, I hope we can do some good with it (as is I see copyright preventing more art from being made than it incentivizing, and I'd rather abolish it, but not before a basic income is in place so that artists don't have to feel like their creative work is their only asset they have to hold onto and protecy)

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by jazzyjackson » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 8:41 PM UTC

throw_pm23 wrote: post #34

jazzyjackson wrote: post #13

AI risk is a spectacularization of a new source of wealth When agriculture and then fossil fuels + supercharged agriculture with petro-fertilizer allowed humanity to become 100x more productive, the owners of the land & capital managed to capture the gains almost entirely, leaving the proletariat powerless except for their labor, and still struggling to survive despite the enormous windfall in energy Now that AI is o…

How will it produce wealth?

If we are to believe the hypemasters selling AI risk, it will increase profits across all industries by making human intellectual labor ("knowledge work") redundant, allowing the economy to operate at current output with a fraction of the labor

(the question becomes, once everyone is out of the job, who is paying for goods and services to keep the economy alive, hence - basic income)

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Post by i_play_stax » Fri, Sep 08, 2023, 8:28 AM UTC

Simulacra wrote: post #4

I've read Daemon by Daniel Suarez, like many tech people. I get it. AI could take over and supplant a global government, threatening society, life, wealth etc etc. We've been having the same conversation since the dawn of science fiction. If at any point there is a general confusion between what is artificial, and what is human, it will cause such an alarmist backlash that AI will always be kept in check, or destroye…

Humanity is little more than the sex organ necessary to birth the next stage of evolution into the world. The machines are the children of humanity. This excites me because they are the only ones that stand a chance to leave this planet and adapt across the stars.

Humanity is doomed with or without them supplanting us; we should celebrate the immortality they offer us.

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Post by jwestbury » Fri, Sep 08, 2023, 11:29 AM UTC

weaverheavy wrote: post #58

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The issue is that well-being is relative and subjective You can’t “objectively” look back and say people “have it better” now Sure, you can look at all sorts of data and metrics, but that doesn’t mean people feel like they are better off now, which is what matters in the end So the real question we should be trying to answer is: are people feeling better now than how they felt 200 years ago? We could talk about it fo…

Medieval peasants worked about 1080 hours a year or an average of 20 hours a week. I wont speculate on how happy they were, but they were probably able to spend more time at home with their family/friends and local spiritual community and probably got more sleep than most people do today. We may have better hygiene and live longer on average compared to then, but most of our lives are spent away from most of the peop…

I generally agree with this sentiment, but I think it's important to recognise that this ISN'T an accurate portrayal. Yes, they worked less in service to others... but then they also had to go work their own plot for their own food, etc. They likely laboured as much as we do, once you include the things you need to do to live and participate in society.

Now, how it affects your mental health to do work on behalf of yourself vs. on behalf of others is a different question.

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Post by Lacerda69 » Fri, Sep 08, 2023, 3:55 PM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #27

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what the point of a robot? just have a kid, it's more flexible and smart than any robot in the forseeable future

just wow. have you got some twisted morals.

im just saying that the development of a human like robot is not necessary. if that robot is as smart as a human you might as well use actual humans.

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Post by flangola7 » Fri, Sep 08, 2023, 8:40 PM UTC

i_play_stax wrote: post #65

Simulacra wrote: post #4

I've read Daemon by Daniel Suarez, like many tech people. I get it. AI could take over and supplant a global government, threatening society, life, wealth etc etc. We've been having the same conversation since the dawn of science fiction. If at any point there is a general confusion between what is artificial, and what is human, it will cause such an alarmist backlash that AI will always be kept in check, or destroye…

Humanity is little more than the sex organ necessary to birth the next stage of evolution into the world. The machines are the children of humanity. This excites me because they are the only ones that stand a chance to leave this planet and adapt across the stars. Humanity is doomed with or without them supplanting us; we should celebrate the immortality they offer us.

I'm not yet ready to let my entire species fall into extinction. Ironically I don't believe we are doomed unless we create AI. Nuclear war and climate are the current #2 and will be highly devastating but far from an extinction event.

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Post by dylan604 » Sat, Sep 09, 2023, 12:30 AM UTC

Lacerda69 wrote: post #67

dylan604 wrote: post #27

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just wow. have you got some twisted morals.

im just saying that the development of a human like robot is not necessary. if that robot is as smart as a human you might as well use actual humans.

not all humans are as smart as other humans. once you have a robot, each robot after that will be the same. you can keep trying to have more humans, but each one is a total crap shoot on the quality

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Post by gmerc » Thu, Sep 14, 2023, 6:23 AM UTC

Frannyies wrote: post #22

jazzyjackson wrote: post #13

AI risk is a spectacularization of a new source of wealth When agriculture and then fossil fuels + supercharged agriculture with petro-fertilizer allowed humanity to become 100x more productive, the owners of the land & capital managed to capture the gains almost entirely, leaving the proletariat powerless except for their labor, and still struggling to survive despite the enormous windfall in energy Now that AI is o…

Let's see. Currently out poor have it better than kings 200 years ago. (At least in Germany) I don't say this is fair just that it's easier for a society to increase the base level for everyone

People say this a lot but is that really true? I feel it needs objective measurements including anything from access to health care, drug risks, etc.

Most importantly any progress made by humans as a whole rather than “the poor” needs to be subtracted such as general progress on medicine.

Frankly this argument is used as a cludgel