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Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by throwaway134134 »

tomschlick wrote: post #42
cjbprime wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely you can imagine some consistent viewpoints that a person could have here, such as "it can be a good thing when someone is able to escape a terrible situation in their current country even if they don't meet the rules for being granted asylum"?

I can see how people empathize with that but on the flip side I've known plenty of immigrants who went through the process the right way, waited months or years, gone through naturalization process and did the same to get get their families here. They, along with others still in line feel cheated by the people entering illegally / abusing the asylum claim systems. If you're escaping a bad situation in a central or so…

> No other developed country would or should allow people to illegally enter and skip the legal process.

Perhaps the situation in the UE since 2015 did not reach you. Google "Wir scaffen das!"

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by zimbatm »

arianvanp wrote: post #33

Would like to add some needed context (at least I think it's needed): * This started out because NixOS mastodon account posted on chaos.social local timeline which is rather German Mastodon instance with a strict no-military-content-without-content-warnings moderation policy. People got angry for NixOS posting about the sponsor there and started complaining en masse to drop it. I think most people complaining aren't…

A key aspect is that we discovered very late that TU Dresden has their own policies against military association that we weren't aware of. We would have had to fill in ton of paperwork, and potentially lose the place.

This is what I tried to communicate to Anduril via email but it must have been lost in translation.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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abathur wrote: post #58
arianvanp wrote: post #33

Would like to add some needed context (at least I think it's needed): * This started out because NixOS mastodon account posted on chaos.social local timeline which is rather German Mastodon instance with a strict no-military-content-without-content-warnings moderation policy. People got angry for NixOS posting about the sponsor there and started complaining en masse to drop it. I think most people complaining aren't…

I guess it may also be meaningful context that the account posting the link on HN indicates that it is affiliated with Anduril.

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Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by busterarm »

abathur wrote: post #58
arianvanp wrote: post #33

Would like to add some needed context (at least I think it's needed): * This started out because NixOS mastodon account posted on chaos.social local timeline which is rather German Mastodon instance with a strict no-military-content-without-content-warnings moderation policy. People got angry for NixOS posting about the sponsor there and started complaining en masse to drop it. I think most people complaining aren't…

I guess it may also be meaningful context that the account posting the link on HN indicates that it is affiliated with Anduril.

Is it? Did they say anything deceptive or dishonest? It's just a link submission.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by AlotOfReading »

busterarm wrote: post #56
AlotOfReading wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Current US border policy is in no way designed to minimize hyperthermia related suffering. For instance, there are nonprofits that install water stations in the desert to minimize migrant deaths. CBP agents regularly vandalize these to prevent their use [0]. They also keep captured migrants in crowded outdoor cages and in facilities without meaningful AC during the hottest months. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-n…

I never suggested otherwise. Ideally zero people would be crossing this border illegally and then there would be no deaths, right? We should do everything possible to discourage this crossing. Adequate surveillance is a large part of that. If you are legitimately seeking asylum you can just walk up to any border crossing station and not risk your life. Edit: As far as the condition that we keep captured criminals in,…

Look, I don't want to get into a discussion of whether the current laws are proper. HN isn't the place for that. I'm just saying that pretending border surveillance is a way to keep immigrants safe from the desert is pure moral fiction.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by master-lincoln »

dale_glass wrote: post #36
corry wrote: post #18

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I say this as a Canadian (meaning - don't take my opinion on the US too seriously), but it's so strange to see what's happening to tech. US Tech in the past: "we dislike the military, the government, the military-industrial complex (and generally all authority) because we skew hippy and/or libertarian. Let us be creative and free!" US Tech today: "we dislike the military, the government, and the military-industrial c…

I don't see what's the difference between "we skew hippy and/or libertarian" and "our particular flavour of cultural identity politics". Hippy and libertarian is a particular flavor of cultural identity politics.

According to wikipedia identity politics is defined as

"... politics based on a particular identity, such as race, nationality, religion, gender, sexual orientation, social background, social class."

Which is not my association for Hippie politics or classic libertarian politics.

Hippies in my head were known for proposing anti-materialistic lifestyle, less moral looking down on promiscuity, open to drug usage and anti war. None of those target a specific identity group.

Libertarians are a political group who support freedom. Normally that means opposing state intervention, taxes, social nets, restrictions to what you can buy/sell. I don't see this as politics for a special identity group either. (ok maybe for the identity group in the upper social class)

PS: somehow I feel like in the US libertarians seem to be seen as left wing which might be the case, but is not inherent to libertarian politics. You can have right wing libertarian politics like some libertarian parties in other countries show

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by busterarm »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #66
busterarm wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never suggested otherwise. Ideally zero people would be crossing this border illegally and then there would be no deaths, right? We should do everything possible to discourage this crossing. Adequate surveillance is a large part of that. If you are legitimately seeking asylum you can just walk up to any border crossing station and not risk your life. Edit: As far as the condition that we keep captured criminals in,…

Look, I don't want to get into a discussion of whether the current laws are proper. HN isn't the place for that. I'm just saying that pretending border surveillance is a way to keep immigrants safe from the desert is pure moral fiction.

I never suggested that it would keep them safe.

I said that you would know that there are people there and they might be or about to be in serious danger. What you do with that information afterwards is an entirely separate conversation.

If it is in your power to have this information and you neglect to, that is highly immoral. If we're going to have this border policy then it is our responsibility to know the effects of that policy. Surveillance of this crossing where hundreds of people die every year is a moral imperative.

People are posting in this thread suggesting that having autonomous surveillance here is akin to pointing weapons at people. The suggestion is hyperbole and ridiculous.

What's really disheartening here is that the people that don't like our border policy would rather we turn a blind eye here guaranteeing that these deaths continue and in greater numbers.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by dale_glass »

bavell wrote: post #60
dale_glass wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see what's the difference between "we skew hippy and/or libertarian" and "our particular flavour of cultural identity politics". Hippy and libertarian is a particular flavor of cultural identity politics.

Hippy/libertarian -> oppose war on principle Culture war / identity politics -> oppose/support war because that's the current thing

I still don't see a difference. The second is simply an uncharitable reading of the first.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Post by sottol »

busterarm wrote: post #56
AlotOfReading wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Current US border policy is in no way designed to minimize hyperthermia related suffering. For instance, there are nonprofits that install water stations in the desert to minimize migrant deaths. CBP agents regularly vandalize these to prevent their use [0]. They also keep captured migrants in crowded outdoor cages and in facilities without meaningful AC during the hottest months. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-n…

I never suggested otherwise. Ideally zero people would be crossing this border illegally and then there would be no deaths, right? We should do everything possible to discourage this crossing. Adequate surveillance is a large part of that. If you are legitimately seeking asylum you can just walk up to any border crossing station and not risk your life. Edit: As far as the condition that we keep captured criminals in,…

Imo large parts of the southwest and CA benefit immensely from immigrant labor. Both in time-savings and $ (outsourcing upkeep, housework, child-care) which allow their population to consume more and pursue other opportunities.

Also, would people pay 50% more, double or triple for fruit picked by Americans, meat packed by , those huge gardens and front yards maintained by, houses built by Americans. I think Florida and Texas after storms start to hint at what night be to come.

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