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37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time

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Re: 37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time

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Post by Calavar »

turnsout wrote: post #28

Man, talk about a ship that has sailed. I was 100% anti-subscription pricing for a very long time. Eventually I realized, it's better for the software vendor and the customer. Final Cut Pro used to cost $999 upfront, now a teenager can use Final Cut on their iPad for $7/month, and subscribe only when they need it.

That pricing sounds fair. Unfortunately, I feel that's the exception. Adobe Dreamweaver CS6 was $400 [1]. Now Dreamweawer Creative Cloud is $250 per year [2]. So after 1.75 years, you've already taken a loss.

[1] https://prodesigntools.com/products/adobe-cs6-pricing-list.h...

[2] https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/plans.html

Re: 37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time

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Post by stevenicr »

pgm8705 wrote: post #4

I wonder if they're going to offer Basecamp with this model, and if so, how much is that going to cost? I imagine it would have to be in the thousands.

is the imagine including the hosting? I could see that, and even higher if storage space got into the terabytes.

I myself could see 3-$500 and self host on my own hardware / vps - with options to pay for future upgrades that include new features if wanted.

I like basecamp, and would consider buying in that way, but there is more and more competition in the space that makes others attractive, and with the speed of changes with the others paying 24 months of service in advance doesn't make as much sense at it would in a smaller space. For me anyway.

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Post by LorenPechtel »

doublerabbit wrote: post #50
turnsout wrote: post #28

Man, talk about a ship that has sailed. I was 100% anti-subscription pricing for a very long time. Eventually I realized, it's better for the software vendor and the customer. Final Cut Pro used to cost $999 upfront, now a teenager can use Final Cut on their iPad for $7/month, and subscribe only when they need it.

Meanwhile, my mother uses photoshop and illustrator, she can't afford the ever increasing price of subscription services. She's in her 70's. It a distraught for her to think of losing access to her creatively outlet if she was to unable to afford the current subscription model. Subscriptions should be followed up with a perpetual license. She's just glad she forked out on CS2 when it was DVD based.

What I like are the models that are subscription for update.

Re: 37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time

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Post by melaniecrissey »

baxtr wrote: post #48

I mean sure I am happy buying stuff once and only pay one time. Like a car, house, pants. With that kind of stuff I don’t expect updates and bug fixes, improved usability and the kind every week. But when I’m am renting a house… I expect my landlord to care of it. These are the different deals I guess.

When I look around at all the "buy once" junk in my house, it's really "buy every two or three years" because most of this stuff isn't built to last.

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Post by dejv »

joshmn wrote: post #38
dejv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like this is going to be something closer to Tada list than Basecamp.

Highrise also comes to mind.

Well, purpose of Tada list was to act as a funnel to Basecamp: they took part of the functionality and when you needed more you check the Basecamp. I think they are going to with this strategy again: limited subset of Basecamp and when you need, say, mobile app or more features you know where to go.

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Post by araneida »

> In the early 2000s, we were among the early pioneers leading the industry into the SaaS revolution. Now, 20 years later, we intend to help lead the way out. The post–SaaS era is just around the corner.

Perhaps I am wrong but was SaaS really a revolution? Perhaps for us mortals but in enterprise wasn't a common model during the mainframe era?

I share this feeling that our industry is constantly rehashing the same concepts over and over...but kudos to people that can monetize on that.

Re: 37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time

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Post by irrational »

I realized recently that I used to buy iOS apps a lot, but then they started moving to a subscription model and I stopped buying them. It has been years since I last purchased an app on my phone. I am willing to pay once forever for an app, I am not willing to enter into an recurring payment model (whether monthly, yearly, or anything else).

Re: 37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time

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Post by gkedzierski »

agloe_dreams wrote: post #39
stanmancan wrote: post #2

My favourite licensing models for self-hosted software are perpetual fallback licenses. Jetbrains does this well and their description of it is: A perpetual fallback license is a license that allows you to use a specific version of software without an active subscription for it. The license also includes all bugfix updates, more specifically in X.Y.Z version all Z releases are included.

This is great until a company starts making file formats completely incompatible with back versions, making it impossible to use with friends or anyone else. Oh or when they just change the plan to subscription only anyways. I'm looking at you, Sketch.

I KNEW you were talking about Sketch from the moment I read your first sentence. I have a hypothesis that Figma never would've become so big had they not screwed up so badly with their licensing and lack of seamless collaboration features.
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